Recent Demo Changes (from CHUK22) [Archive]

Tenka

04-05-2005, 04:06 PM

It's a pity about the forum wipe, took out a lot of posts that held a lot of information. Here is CHUK's most recent changes for those people who missed it.

You can see the first round of changes here: http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/...2102#post142102

Also, the Windows Key, Alt-Tab and Dual-Screen Issues have all been fixed!

"Muffled Sound Bug" fix is in the works...

Currently, Visible Targeting (Optional), Compass (Optional) and Absolute Fixed Camera (Optional) are all being added as options page settings!

Resolutions (4:3) up to 1600 x 1200 are all now functional!

We are grinding away at the fixes folks and I'll let you know when you're going to get to check out all the new changes!

Thanks again for all of your feedback! It has already made a HUGE difference in a short amount of time!

-CHUK

Narserke

04-05-2005, 04:20 PM

sweet thanks, i never saw that. it's nice to know that the alt tab and windows key issues are fixed..hopefully they will fix the sticky key problem..but if they don't i'll probably just change the key map so i don't have to deal with it.

chamr

04-05-2005, 04:32 PM

This is sweet! But seems to be implying that there will be an update to the demo.

"We are grinding away at the fixes folks and I'll let you know when you're going to get to check out all the new changes!"

Does that also then mean a delay in release?

Narserke

04-05-2005, 04:36 PM

maybe, but from what i understand the 20th was a bit optomistic..besides the demo i downloaded was "dungeon lords demo 1" so that kind of implied to me that there would be another demo....but while i like these changes, i don't think they need another demo..unless there are other changes..i mean i don't need a demo to see fixes..i can wait for release for those:) now if they added another race to the demo, or some more classes...

Mythor

04-05-2005, 05:14 PM

i mean i don't need a demo to see fixes..i can wait for release for those
While you and I can wait for the release, the issues with the first demo seem to have turned a bunch of folk off buying the game, so I'd guess they want to get a new demo out there to show the game in a more polished state.
Hopefully this doesn't mean another delay in the game's release date. Hopefully they'll get everything wrapped up soon. :)

Narserke

04-05-2005, 05:16 PM

yeah..that's true. i would probably download the new demo even if i don't need it;)

Mythor

04-05-2005, 05:34 PM

Yup, unless the demo is out after the retail release of course! :D

Narserke

04-05-2005, 07:10 PM

well we might need something to play while the game is installing:)

NTJedi

04-05-2005, 07:54 PM

yeah..that's true. i would probably download the new demo even if i don't need it;)

What if the new demo doesn't allow traveling over the mountains into unexplored areas??

I haven't done much traveling over the mountains... mostly just fighting on the mountains. It's fun fighting the hill trolls, giant spiders, and other stuff.

Vampire_X

04-05-2005, 08:55 PM

also pm'ed chuk about right handled models and combat in the game this was his response.

...we're working on it... its a time issue at this point being a purely aesthetic issue. I'm told it will happen if there's enough time.

-CHUK
Forward Message

Narserke

04-05-2005, 10:52 PM

What if the new demo doesn't allow traveling over the mountains into unexplored areas??

I haven't done much traveling over the mountains... mostly just fighting on the mountains. It's fun fighting the hill trolls, giant spiders, and other stuff.

well, if a new demo is planned, then there is a pretty good chance it would be in a different area, to keep things fresh, and to see new enemies..that's what i would do anyway. remember, when the game comes out you will have all the time in the world to go to the mountains and make the hill trolls and giant spiders an extinct species:) but watch out for PETT, the people for the ethical treatment of trolls..they get uppity when you talk about hurting trolls..they think trolls have a right to life just like everything else.

Mythor

04-06-2005, 12:07 AM

I'm not even using the glitch to get over the mountains yet. You're not meant to be there and you'll be able to get there legitimately once the game is out, so I don't care to do so. If the new demo takes that out, I won't even notice. :)

I'm far more interested in things like the camping system, regaining spells, class distinctions and so forth. The game has to be fun to play for me to care about the huge world. :)

CHUK22

04-06-2005, 10:30 PM

Oh yeah, sticky key fix also!

Vampire_X

04-07-2005, 05:21 PM

are you talking about the shift key when you press it 5 times windows error pops up saying you cant press it so fast? not sure what you mean but i went into the options and changed it but it doesnt work right unless it goes real slow.

cant wait too see you say "right handed models added"

lol but i doubt there will be any time maybe you could add it a patch for it if you dont make it.

AriseThePhoenix

04-07-2005, 05:49 PM

I've been watching the forums for awhile, content to see what others have to say...

I'm not flaming anyone, but what the heck is the big deal with the left handed character? It doesn't affect gameplay, it's strictly aesthetic. Why can't all of you leave the developers alone so they can finish the game for the rest of use who don't care whether our character is right or lefthanded? Drop it already, they're aware of your request and will get to it IF they can. If the game is delayed because of something as TRITE as this I - and a lot of other less **** people - will be pretty upset.

By the way, I'm right handed :p

AriseThePhoenix

If you feel flamed, feel free to respond directly to me - I'm fully aware of my DELETE key and have no problem using it :p

Vampire_X

04-07-2005, 05:53 PM

Narserke

04-07-2005, 06:11 PM

i think the reason they may have gone with the left hand is because the left mouse button is used to swing your weapon and cast spells, and the right mouse button is used for shields..or maybe the devs are part of a top secret conspiracy of the left handers to further the left hander agenda of making everything left handed instead of right..the right handers have ruled the world for too long, or so they say:) their rival is the conspiracy of dentist and touthpaste and brush makes, who are trying to sell us useless appliances and pastes:)

seriously in a way it's intuitive, you click your left mouse button, you swing your sword in your characters left hand..while you click your right mouse button..course you can just remap the buttons if they did descide to make the players right handed..heck maybe they can just make an option at character creation to make your character left or right handed..

i was a dual weilder, so i really didn't notice...both hands were swinging:)

Mythor

04-07-2005, 06:15 PM

they are aware of the issue and chuk said they will add it if they can
I think that right there is why AriseThePhoenix commented. You know they're going to do it if they have the time so there's really no point in keeping on about it. It's an extremely minor issue that 99.9% of players aren't even going to care about because it doesn't affect gameplay.

In any event, it's a public forum, telling people to mind their own business is ridiculous. If you don't like people telling you to drop it, tough! :P

Tenka

04-07-2005, 07:11 PM

i like the game and it BOTHERS me so mind your own bussiness i could care less what you or any one else thinks i want right handed combat in the game they are aware of the issue and chuk said they will add it if they can im not playing a game i really want as a left handed when the game is HEAVILY combat oriented understand? Every game ive played is right handed strange this would be left.

Glad i could clear that up with you :)

Same here, at first it wasnt much of a bother but the more I play it begins to get SO annoying. I cant immerse myself in the environment cause I keep looking at my character single-left-handedly swinging around his great sword like a plastic toy and I'm like "My left-arm would have the BIGGEST cramps ever.." or "I'm this strong with my left-hand .. imagine if I used my right!!".. its killing the immersion for me :( .

Vampire_X

04-07-2005, 07:52 PM

no its not because left mouse button attacks and right is block lol is this your first time playing a game or something? its always like that left click is attack and right is secondary or block doesnt matter if your left handed or right.

in game just looking at the person holding a shield in his right hand and attack with his left hand makes it so strange and makes my character feel weak its like picking up a baseball bat and swining it lefty style.

this is a big issue for me and i see ppl on the forums complaining about stupid stuff like the menu and stuff.

Narserke

04-07-2005, 09:25 PM

no its not because left mouse button attacks and right is block lol is this your first time playing a game or something? its always like that left click is attack and right is secondary or block doesnt matter if your left handed or right.

No, this isn't my first game. :) You misunderstood my post, and thats my fault perhaps for the way I worded it. I know all games use this, where the left button fires the weapon or swings the sword in the right hand. What I meant is that perhaps the devs choose to make characters left handed is because when people click the left mouse, they will see the left hand of their character swing the sword, and when they click the right might button, the character blocks with the shield on his right..perhaps the devs thought this was more intuitive then clicking the left mouse button to swing the right arm. you could think of it like this..your mouse is like your character, with the buttons being his right and left hand..but that's just a guess..maybe they did it this way because everyone else does it the other way..

i do think that there is no harm in putting in the option to make your character, upon creation, right handed or left handed, and that would deterime which hand holds a weapon and which has the shield

Mythor

04-07-2005, 09:51 PM

The thing is, Vampire_X, everyone will have to use the menu. Not everyone will choose to play a melee combat character. Getting the menu/s right is therefore a lot more important than which hand your character holds his/her weapon in.

This is certainly a big issue for you, and I think it's great the developer is considering letting us change the handedness of our characters... But it's a purely cosmetic issue. Doesn't affect the gameplay at all.

I assume from all this that you'll only be playing human characters? Because I'm assuming you're not Wylvan, for example? :)

Tenka

04-08-2005, 10:28 AM

The thing is, Vampire_X, everyone will have to use the menu. Not everyone will choose to play a melee combat character. Getting the menu/s right is therefore a lot more important than which hand your character holds his/her weapon in.

This is certainly a big issue for you, and I think it's great the developer is considering letting us change the handedness of our characters... But it's a purely cosmetic issue. Doesn't affect the gameplay at all.

Does'nt anyone try to put themselves in the perspective of their character, dont you ever look at him/her and think "that looks uncomfortable" .. I dunno, maybe I'm just wierd but I keep getting this awkward feeling especially when wielding heavy weapons, it just feels like my left arm would get tired and/or fall off..

Emulated

04-08-2005, 12:41 PM

in diablo you can switch hands by placing the weapon in that hand maby if this game had a similer system that would make things better for all players ;)

NecroViolator

04-08-2005, 02:16 PM

Mythor

04-08-2005, 06:49 PM

Does'nt anyone try to put themselves in the perspective of their character, dont you ever look at him/her and think "that looks uncomfortable" .. I dunno, maybe I'm just wierd but I keep getting this awkward feeling especially when wielding heavy weapons, it just feels like my left arm would get tired and/or fall off..
I can't recall ever throwing seething balls of fire from my hands using only the power of my mind. Yet that doesn't feel awkward? :)

I'm generally far more interested in where my blades are swinging than in what hand I'm holding the weapon. The only reason I've noticed the left handedness is because of the people complaining about it. ;)

I'd prefer an option to have my character be right handed as well, because options are always nice. :)
But it's a cosmetic thing. I don't understand how this can be such a game destroying thing for some people. It's crazy.

onewolf

04-08-2005, 06:59 PM

i hear ya mythor, but hey, if some people really can't stand it, it might as well be fixed (or considered for fixing, or considered for patching, or considered for consideration).

I can't recall ever throwing seething balls of fire from my hands using only the power of my mind.

hhahahhahah......

Tenka

04-08-2005, 07:06 PM

Tenka "I dunno, maybe I'm just wierd but I keep getting this awkward feeling especially when wielding heavy weapons, it just feels like my left arm would get tired and/or fall off.."

Im left handed and my Left arm hasent fell off yet... ;)

Duh, because you're left handed.. only from a right-handed users point of view does it look awkward.

I can't recall ever throwing seething balls of fire from my hands using only the power of my mind. Yet that doesn't feel awkward?

Good point.. though even in immersion you assume that it wont hurt or feel uncomfortable throw a fireball, I imagine it would be extremely unconfortable to wield a giant axe in you're left hand .. if you're right handed.

Mythor

04-08-2005, 08:06 PM

i hear ya mythor, but hey, if some people really can't stand it, it might as well be fixed (or considered for fixing, or considered for patching, or considered for consideration).
As Chuk has said, it's on their list of things they want to do if they have the time for it. So I'd guess it'll get patched in if the developers do the right thing and do some post-release support of the game. :)
Which is why it's kind of silly for people to still be harping on about it. The devs know people want righthanded combat to be available, but there are obviously things much more important that still need doing.

I imagine it would be extremely unconfortable to wield a giant axe in you're left hand .. if you're right handed.
Yes, it would. Because we're used to doing so in our right hand... Or would be, if wielding giant axes was something we did on a day to day basis. ;)
The point I was making was that our characters do things all the time that you or I would find unnatural, uncomfortable, unwieldy or just plain impossible. I certainly can't do a backflip on the ground from a standing start, but my character can not only do that, he can fire off spells or swing his weapon at the same time.

Arguing for the change to be made because some think it's weird for their character to be holding their weapon in their left hand is not a very good reason for the change to be made.

Vampire_X

04-08-2005, 10:38 PM

No, this isn't my first game. :) You misunderstood my post, and thats my fault perhaps for the way I worded it. I know all games use this, where the left button fires the weapon or swings the sword in the right hand. What I meant is that perhaps the devs choose to make characters left handed is because when people click the left mouse, they will see the left hand of their character swing the sword, and when they click the right might button, the character blocks with the shield on his right..perhaps the devs thought this was more intuitive then clicking the left mouse button to swing the right arm. you could think of it like this..your mouse is like your character, with the buttons being his right and left hand..but that's just a guess..maybe they did it this way because everyone else does it the other way..

i do think that there is no harm in putting in the option to make your character, upon creation, right handed or left handed, and that would deterime which hand holds a weapon and which has the shield

i need right handed it just bothers me to much every game is designed to attack with the left mouse button and second button for etc any secondary fuction because the left mouse button and right are different sizes and you can click easier thats how it is im right handed so if i was playing dungeon lords i wouldnt wanna attack with the right button it would be impossible slow and clumsy you know?

yeah so just they need to add a option for left and right it would be a decent thing to do and make me and alot of ppl happy :)

Aquelius

04-10-2005, 06:39 PM

Does that also then mean a delay in release?

If an improved game means a delay in release, bring on the delay! I'm looking forward to a game I can really sink my teeth into, and if it means that I'll have to wait a bit, then I'll wait.

And as a staunch right-hander, I think that everyone who's left-handed needs to repent of their backward ways. ;)

CHUK22

04-12-2005, 10:55 AM

DWB and Ken are looking into the handedness issue TODAY. If its not any tougher than they suspect, it will be fixed.

-CHUK

Tenka

04-12-2005, 11:10 AM

Narserke

04-12-2005, 05:46 PM

Can they hurry up? My fingers have been crossed for a whole week! It's really starting to hurt!

j/k :D

It's good to hear some progress, lets just hope they dont have to re-write the entire game just to switch the models around.

if they have to rewrite the entire game to fix it, then they won't right now..as they pointed out, as long as it's not tougher then they think..and rewriting the entire game would be tougher..

Tenka

04-12-2005, 06:06 PM

if they have to rewrite the entire game to fix it, then they won't right now..as they pointed out, as long as it's not tougher then they think..and rewriting the entire game would be tougher..

Yes .. that is what I meant.

malvado

04-12-2005, 06:19 PM

Nice!

I just have to thank Chuk22 for beeing here for us and confirming that they are working on those issues the community have pointed at.

I know this game is going to be awesome, hopefully it will be fully modable in some future as the game community would go nuts if they could make maps and mods for the game.

Tauschitz1

04-12-2005, 06:20 PM

CHUK22

Any news on robes and other wizardlt clothing?

Alex

Narserke

04-12-2005, 07:44 PM

Yes .. that is what I meant.

then pretend if i was just agreeing with you without sounding like i was agreeing with you:)

Vampire_X

04-13-2005, 12:31 AM

DWB and Ken are looking into the handedness issue TODAY. If its not any tougher than they suspect, it will be fixed.

-CHUK

thats good to hear when was this posted? it doesnt say the date i really hope it gets added i just pray they add it it would just make the game so much more better playing it with right handed combat.

so according to most places 8 more days and dungeon lords will be out no idea how long it takes to make all the copies before the ship date or what goes on i just hope they can add it chuk.

and is that unknown character in the game was it a orc? can you tell us chuk if you dont wanna spoil it its ok but some one posted a picture and it looked exactly like the shadow unknown pic on the website.

EDIT: oh yeah and CHUK could you sticky this thread for us so it will be easy to check on every day with new ppl posting if i didnt look in this thread i woulda never knew about the right hand update from you :eek:

haha love that smiley looks like i dont know but something cant remember the name.

Narserke

04-13-2005, 12:58 AM

"and is that unknown character in the game was it a orc? can you tell us chuk if you dont wanna spoil it its ok but some one posted a picture and it looked exactly like the shadow unknown pic on the website."

from the description on the website, an orc just doesn't fit..but i guess they are trying to be all allusive or something..so i gues it could be an orc..or it could be those half dragons..from the other dw bradley games..now that would be super sweet