Holy crap inna Hat!!!

[AxiomOnline]

Just played through the demo and all I can say is WOW!!!

Let the nay sayers whine and cry.. an RPG that requires me to use my brain!?!? Sheesh haven't seen that in almost 10 years. Even though the game is buggy I found myself enthralled with it I really couldn't get myself to stop playing. I will say Easy combat is NOT easy and trying to lessen the combats (I killed some goblins, turned around to loot a chest and then some rats came...then more goblins etc etc took me 6 tries to just to get some peace to loot :D ) didn't help but count me in on the Yay sayers for DL!!

I could go on and on how nice it was to play this game compared to the other crap action RPGs I played in recent years but I am sure any more and folks will wonder if I am on the payroll ;)

[vazquez595654]

Haha funny post. That was hilarious. I agree the game needs a lot of work. Hopefully they use the extra time they took to fix the game.

[Zebulon]

Haha funny post. That was hilarious. I agree the game needs a lot of work. Hopefully they use the extra time they took to fix the game.

If its too difficult for you, you dont need to buy it. period.

You are a whiner.

I dont like easy games ( that are standard nowadays...sigh)


Zeb

[chamr]

Just played through the demo and all I can say is WOW!!!

Let the nay sayers whine and cry.. an RPG that requires me to use my brain!?!? Sheesh haven't seen that in almost 10 years. Even though the game is buggy I found myself enthralled with it I really couldn't get myself to stop playing. I will say Easy combat is NOT easy and trying to lessen the combats (I killed some goblins, turned around to loot a chest and then some rats came...then more goblins etc etc took me 6 tries to just to get some peace to loot :D ) didn't help but count me in on the Yay sayers for DL!!

I could go on and on how nice it was to play this game compared to the other crap action RPGs I played in recent years but I am sure any more and folks will wonder if I am on the payroll ;)

Good to see another player that likes challenge in their RPG! :)

[Brainsic]

Glad to see someone else who actually likes a challenge in any kind of game! :)

[Aks K]

I agree and nor am I on a payroll. I also got my butt kicked until I got the hang of it. This games has a huge potential :).

Aks K

[kornalius]

Hey, I am new here but I have been lurking around for a couple weeks.

I must say I agree, this game as an enormous potential and the demo wasn't THAT bad. I am really enjoying it so far. It needs work yes but I have seen a lot worse.

[vazquez595654]

To: Zebulon





What post were you reading when you quoted me. Because you seem to have quoted me but replied to someone else???

I said absolutely nothing about difficulty in my post.

As far as difficulty the game wasn't that challenging but the controls are pathetic especially since so many games that have been released years ago have tighter and just plain better controls. Blade of Darkness and even that dumb Viking game (update Rune) made with the unreal engine long ago had better control then dungeon lords.

[Narserke]

To: Zebulon





What post were you reading when you quoted me. Because you seem to have quoted me but replied to someone else???

I said absolutely nothing about difficulty in my post.

As far as difficulty the game wasn't that challenging but the controls are pathetic especially since so many games that have been released years ago have tighter and just plain better controls. Blade of Darkness and even that dumb Viking game (update Rune) made with the unreal engine long ago had better control then dungeon lords.


I had no problems with the controls? What problems did you have? I mean I've heard there is a learning curve with the game, and I think learning to use the controls were part of that, but I didn't have any problems really. I would appreciate something specific about the controls so I can understand where you are coming from. I played Gothic 2 and Morrowind. In both cases, when I started out, I though the controls were clunky and it was hard use. However, the problem wasn't necessarily the game in my case, but the fact that before I played those two games, I had never fought with swords in the first or third person. I had been playing games like Baldur's Gate 2 where all I had to do was click on my enemies, and the computer and numbers did the rest. Diablo 2 was basically similar. All you had to do is click on and enemy and hold down the left mouse button until they died, pulling away when appropriate. Eventually I got used to the control scheme of Gothic 2 and Morrowind, and got good enough to play it. Recently, as another example, my friend got an xbox, and for the first time I've been using a console control system, very different from a mouse and keyboard system. So when we play Halo on multiplayer, well it's embarrasing and I complain and ***** about how hard it is to move my character around and shoot and crap, but the real problem is I am just not used to it yet. I am not saying that is your problem, maybe you have some special skill with games that allows you to judge right away that control systems are bad, and that it's not really your problem and not the games. However, keep in mind that even if you have problems, that doesn't mean the game is the problem. Plenty of people in these forums have had no problems with the controls, and then those who have got used to them.

[Vampire_X]

To: Zebulon





What post were you reading when you quoted me. Because you seem to have quoted me but replied to someone else???

I said absolutely nothing about difficulty in my post.

As far as difficulty the game wasn't that challenging but the controls are pathetic especially since so many games that have been released years ago have tighter and just plain better controls. Blade of Darkness and even that dumb Viking game (update Rune) made with the unreal engine long ago had better control then dungeon lords.

because all i see from you i hate towards the game if you dont like the game then dont post on the forums if you do like the game say something good about it.

the controls in rune are better then dungeon lords demo? LOL yeah right.. rune is one of the crappiest games i have ever played the controls are horriblely retarded you cant do anything you will get killed by the weakest of enemies because there so bad.

the game is really bland and ugly too.

Dungeon Lords is gonna be great but ill say my final answer when i completly finish the game :)

[BullGod]

Reading over the threads here, I don’t want to comment on controls, I think they are fine and workable. I do like the reference to Blade of Darkness and Rune however. Two of my favorite games, and I actually still play them. To me Dungeon Lords is going to be the best of all worlds: Combat moves similar to Blade, give the comfortable feel of Rune, and also encompasses choices and a story line like Gothic, and last but not least, Morrowind like character building.

My copy is pre-ordered, and I can't wait to get the release. I have played the demo over and over, and will continue to so until I get the real thing and get it in hi rez.

Great job so far HP, DC, and Bradley !!! Looking forward to the release.

[vazquez595654]

Quote: Narserke

I am not saying that (it) is your problem, maybe you have some special skill with games that allows you to judge right away that (the) control systems are bad and that it's not really your problem and not the games(.)


Response:

Was that an attempt at humor? I am not here to insult, only to argue by (strict definition).

As far as controls. Specifically the camera. It fly's all over the place. I am comparing that to every game I have ever played that has had a third person camera mouse control. Compared to (unreal 2002,3,4 with behindview 1), blade of darkness, gothic 2, tomb raiders, rune, heretic 2, kotor, jedi knight, morrowind, rainbow six, ghost recon, most mmorpgs and so on. As far as control in general I am comparing it to deus ex, diablo2, dungeon siege, baldurs gates, nwn, sacred, and so on. Compared to those the controls need a lot of work.

Quote: Vampire_X

because all i see from you i(s) hate towards the game if you dont like the game then dont post on the forums if you do like the game say something good about it.

PreResponse:

Wow please re-read what you posted 10 times. Your saying if you disagree with us leave if not praise us. Thats like the KKK or the NRA or any other corrupt organization (well I could probably use our government but lets not get into all that).

Response:

First of all a forum is a place for discussion. People who post, "this game rocks" or "great job" are not discussing they are stating. Compared to those people I am doing exactly what I am suppossed to be doing and they are not.
Besides most people don't care about statements because they are meaningless. For example if I said "being able to fly would be cool" or "they should have combat with the right hand." No one cares unless you can give a good argument to why it truly would be better with so an so feature; Not just because you want it in the game period.

But addressing the hate statement...

Let me give you an example. I will use girls in this example because men are less likely to do this.

For example if a women who is dressed horribly asks one of her girlfriends how she looks and her girlfriend says, "Oh you look great." Then she ask another friend and she says, "You look like crap and you should change your clothes."

Which one is the better friend?

Sure the horribly dressed girl might now hate the second girl but you have to admit that by being honest she was truly the better friend because she was protecting her friend from dressing horribly.

If you go and re-read all my post. I have never shown hate towards the game or company. I have used criticism. I have just been using all the experiences I have had with games I truly thought were going to be good and could have been good that ended up being really flawed.

Personally I think I have been more constructive then most people who post either that the game is great or that the game sucks. Again those statements are meaningless.

[araczynski]

wow, too much intelligence in that post, (danger will robinson! danger! ;))

i agree that the controls are a bit off from what i've personally deemed 'normal' throughout my gaming years. it feels a lot like Gothic1/2, which i never really got completely used to. i'm hoping that by the options screen functioning in the release i'll be able to tweak it to my personal preferences.

[Zebulon]

Vasques: If the controls are not the same you are used to use, take them as a part of the challenge of the game.
There is no "industrial standard" for game controls yet.

And if i remember correctly, all of your posts are full of rantings and critisicm.
So if you dont like that demo, you dont need to buy that game.

I think its a cool piece of work, but i am old and some sort of retro gamer....
I cant understand that someone would launch 28 posts on a thing he dislikes that much.

Maybe you have lots of spare time. Maybe you are paid by another company to do so. This is a wonderous world; all is possible.
( this some sort of a rhetorical question, no need to give a honest answer)

Zeb

[phalzyr]

Since the demo made me play meele a lot, I played with the controls and didn't see the camera issue you metnioned. OR at least didn't notice it, I don't get sick when I spin in circle like my wife does so when full version comes out she'll notice if it does.

Until I read on forum it also didn't register that the fighter was left handed, then I thought DUH how did I not notice that. Maybe because I'm ambidextoruos (both handed) and just though nothing of it... At first fighting I thought it was crappy but after a few fights and I got used to it I thought it was pretty cool.

The only thing that bothered me and only slightly was the amount of recoil when someone hit you, but they said they already fixed that so I'll probably be a happy camper when it comes out (though I'll be mostly mage if it lets me...)

funny that someone mention Gothic 2, I just reinstalled that to "help em pass the time" but didn't play it very long combat too annoying, muchmore than I remember it being back then... I gave up on it after about 5 minutes and went onto another game.

Most people are just too used to diablo 2/baldur's gate style of combat or worse dungeon siege that does everything for you. Once I learned how to block I really started kicking butt without getting hurt much.

[chamr]

Oh vasquez. Poor you. Being persecuted by the fan boy masses. :rolleyes:

It's one thing to provide constructive criticism. It's another to be vindictive. You've stated your case. Why go to every thread and repeat it over and over? Why go into threads expressing excitement about the game and poo-poo on them? I think you're being disingenuous, and I think you know it.

In addition to that, your comments are extreme. You're basically saying the game is crap. If you're going to make ridiculously over-the-top comments like that, expect people to respond strongly.

There's nothing seriously wrong with the controls. You may not like them and prefer a tighter experience, but they're hardly "pathetic", to use your word.

I will agree that the camera (which isn't a control, by the way) needs some work. Even then, the only things I think they need to do is make obstacles between you and the camera go transparent, a la Dungeon Siege, and make it a little smarter in confined spaces. That's it.

[Narserke]

Was that an attempt at humor? I am not here to insult, only to argue by (strict definition).

As far as controls. Specifically the camera. It fly's all over the place. I am comparing that to every game I have ever played that has had a third person camera mouse control. Compared to (unreal 2002,3,4 with behindview 1), blade of darkness, gothic 2, tomb raiders, rune, heretic 2, kotor, jedi knight, morrowind, rainbow six, ghost recon, most mmorpgs and so on. As far as control in general I am comparing it to deus ex, diablo2, dungeon siege, baldurs gates, nwn, sacred, and so on. Compared to those the controls need a lot of work.

My response:

No, that was not an attempt at humor, though the fact that you obviously sarcastically mention that it was an attempt at humor is an example of your arrogant manner that is pissing people off. If you were simply arguing, you would do so without statements that show such arrogance and the others you've made where you argue with people by calling them insecure or something, using that as an arguement agaisnt their points is a phallacy.

Second, comparing the controls in Dungeon Lords to those in games like the baldur gate series, nwn, diablo 2, dungeon siege, and sacred is unfair, because those games use a point and click control system to attack, and then the computer takes over and determines when you hit and when you miss and how much damage you do in the case of the d&d games and dungeon siege, and games like sacred and diablo 2 is simply a matter of holding down the left mouse button for melee and gulping down healing potions. in other words it's a very simplistic combat style that anyone can master easily. Dungeon Lords is a bit more realistic..in the sense that you have to aim you character towards the enemies, get close, and swing your weapon and do combos and back up and block..and block in this game is more realistic then any other game i've played..you actually have to decide for yourself when to block by pushing the right mouse button. so even if you have lots of points in shield, it's meaningless unless you time it right. This feature is one of the things that attracted me to the game, when I heard about it I knew this game had promise. Also, you also have more freedom to move around and therefore move out of the way, more so then you did in Gothic 2 where all you could do is back up. Maybe I wasn't playing as well, but I always found myself being forced back by most creatures. That was probably just me cause that was one of my first third person melee games. So I feel that Dungeon Lords is the first third person melee game i've played that feels more realistc and with enough points in the right skills, will allow me to really move around in combat and pull off some nice attacks.

As for the camera, I really didn't see a problem with it. It never pulled into a bad angle in the middle of a battle for me, and it certainly wasn't as bad as I've heard Resident Evil games are, not counting Resident Evil 4. If you have a problem where you are between a tree and a camera and you feel that that's bad camera, well may I suggest moving out of the way as the trees should be transparent in my opinion. You probably haven't had such a problem though, but if anyone has that problem, remember that you can move out of the way so you can get back in camera view. So in conclusion, I found that the camera kept up with me in the demo as I back flipped and moved around. Specifically, how do you think the camera should operate?

As for your statement about which girl is better, and you claim that the friend that says her friend is dressed like absolute crap, and you felt that her honest was better. Well there is honesty, and then there is insulting, and while that may have been honest, it was both an honest opinion and definately overly insulting. She could say, well I don't think it looks that great or something. Telling her friend it looks like absolute crap is a bit much.

[Gorci]

Grass is green & the sky is blue, I liked the game why don't you?

[vazquez595654]

Well I don't regret anything I have said because I know that I have tried to be constructive. I know we all have frustrations with the game on different levels and maybe I just expected a little more from them.

But Just for clarification on the analogy

Quote:

Well there is honesty, and then there is insulting, and while that may have been honest, it was both an honest opinion and definately (definitely) overly insulting. She could say, well I don't think it looks that great or something. Telling her friend it looks like absolute crap is a bit much.

Response:

The analogy indicates though that she looks horrible. So if the girl responds, "It doesn't look that great" then she's still hurting her friend in the end. In other words if it looks really bad you tell her it looks really bad. If it looks okay you tell her it looks okay. Its all relative of course but the point is that you are honest. If they are both real friends and rational it shouldn't hurt the relationship at all.

[Vampire_X]

**** people type alot

[Narserke]

The analogy indicates though that she looks horrible. So if the girl responds, "It doesn't look that great" then she's still hurting her friend in the end. In other words if it looks really bad you tell her it looks really bad. If it looks okay you tell her it looks okay. Its all relative of course but the point is that you are honest. If they are both real friends and rational it shouldn't hurt the relationship at all.

Well first of all, as I am sure you are quite aware, we live in a world were everyone isn't as rational as you or I would like them to be. True, you would be honest in saying it looked bad, but in many places it's not just what you say, but how you say it as well. If those friends were the type of rational people, and perhaps very sarcastic and cycnical for good measure, then your honesty would not be so bad, but for better or worse not everyone is like that. So in some cases while it's ok to be critical, you must often do so diplomatically and still get the point across. I mean if everyone could accept critism without getting upset or causing friction, then every guy could answer yes you do when there wife or girlfriend ask them if they look fat. :) Humans tend to be defensive and insecure as much as some tend to be rational. Keep this in mind when you choose to be blunt in your critism.

VampireX: I took a feat in extra typing speed;)

[vazquez595654]

Everything you said is completely right.

So I ask you. Who do think would have more friends; A person who goes crazy everytime someone says something even slightly critical of them, or someone who is able to seperate the critical statement from the perception they have of themselves.

Put another way without trying to sound philosophical: Would you want to hang around someone who is so insecure and that you couldn't be even slightly honest with because you know they would throw a fit everytime you were?

Quote:

So in some cases while it's ok to be critical, you must often do so diplomatically and still get the point across.

Response:

Of course. But wouldn't you agree that the person makes the decision of whether they get offended or not?

In other words you have to work harder (be diplomatic) to get your point across because the other person can't control their emotions. To me that seems counter-productive. Instead of you having to work harder shouldn't the other person work harder not to get offended?

Because even if you are diplomatic in one case the other person will still have the same problem with other people. It seems easier to have the sensitive person change then to have the whole world change for that person.

Thats why I say you should be honest. Because if you consistently look out for other peoples emotions your just hurting them on the long run. Kind of like an over protective parent.

Additionally some people just don't get it. For example a manager that tells an employee his work habits are okay when in reality there really bad. The manager just didn't want to hurt the employees feelings. But the employee didn't read it that way. He interpreted it as really doing an okay job and didn't change his work habits at all. What is the result? The manager suffers because an employee is doing a bad job. When the time comes to fire someone because the store is doing poorly guess who gets fired? If the manager had been honest,the employee would have been able to change is work habit and be successful.

[Narserke]

Everything you said is completely right.

So I ask you. Who do think would have more friends; A person who goes crazy everytime someone says something even slightly critical of them, or someone who is able to seperate the critical statement from the perception they have of themselves.

Put another way without trying to sound philosophical: Would you want to hang around someone who is so insecure and that you couldn't be even slightly honest with because you know they would throw a fit everytime you were?

Quote:

So in some cases while it's ok to be critical, you must often do so diplomatically and still get the point across.

Response:

Of course. But wouldn't you agree that the person makes the decision of whether they get offended or not?

In other words you have to work harder (be diplomatic) to get your point across because the other person can't control their emotions. To me that seems counter-productive. Instead of you having to work harder shouldn't the other person work harder not to get offended?

Because even if you are diplomatic in one case the other person will still have the same problem with other people. It seems easier to have the sensitive person change then to have the whole world change for that person.

Thats why I say you should be honest. Because if you consistently look out for other peoples emotions your just hurting them on the long run. Kind of like an over protective parent.

Additionally some people just don't get it. For example a manager that tells an employee his work habits are okay when in reality there really bad. The manager just didn't want to hurt the employees feelings. But the employee didn't read it that way. He interpreted it as really doing an okay job and didn't change his work habits at all. What is the result? The manager suffers because an employee is doing a bad job. When the time comes to fire someone because the store is doing poorly guess who gets fired? If the manager had been honest,the employee would have been able to change is work habit and be successful.


Thus are the complexities of human relationships, a constant balancing act sometimes. I know that's a simplistic response, but that sums things up nicely all the same. You are right, I wouldn't want to be around someone that couldn't take even the slightest criticism, but then again as I am sure you are aware, one persons minor comment is another person insult. However, we choose are friends based on the way they react to things, at least in part. You for instance probably don't have any friends who can't take your honest opinion, and you might not have to be critical of them often, cause they think like you and so on. However, there are also those who don't take criticism well, but at the same time they have friends that are similar to them, and so neither of them is ever really that critical of the other. So as far as friends go, most people would only choose to associate to those who react similarly, or don't at all give criticism. However, the real balancing act isn't with friends, it's with everyone else. And this you have found in this and other forums. As well as the real world.

[Vampire_X]

what the **** are you dummies going on about every time i come to see any updates on the game or site i just see the same ppl writing big blocks of text of useless fighting or wierd crap wich isnt for the game.

People who say they have more friends then this or that type of person dont have any , just be quiet already and wait for the game or go outside and do something i dont know.

[Narserke]

what the **** are you dummies going on about every time i come to see any updates on the game or site i just see the same ppl writing big blocks of text of useless fighting or wierd crap wich isnt for the game.

People who say they have more friends then this or that type of person dont have any , just be quiet already and wait for the game or go outside and do something i dont know.

Did we use to many words for you?;) lol j/k

[Vampire_X]

well if somehting is more then 3 lines i probably wont read it because im lazy , it seems every one on this site is just bored and waiting for the game and we have nothing to do so there just finding stuff to fight over or past the time i dont know lol.

Well i dont have anything to do on the pc and im taking a break from PS2 and im mad at a ps2 game i cant beat the last boss so im not doing anything but working out and well thats it.

[vazquez595654]

Quote:

well if somehting is more then 3 lines i probably wont read it because im lazy , it seems every one on this site is just bored and waiting for the game and we have nothing to do so there just finding stuff to fight over or past the time i dont know lol.



Why are you lol after you say something?

Do you find yourself that funny?

Seriously though I understand what your saying but this is a forum remember? Forums are places where you argue and share ideas for others to critique. They are not update sites. If you want updates on the game go to the main website. If there not giving updates thats their fault not ours.

Besides these forums were made for community why would you expect regular updates here?

Additionally if you think about it who's fault (partly) is it really that we end up talking about things besides the game. I would blame the game company.

For example if you go to the Minions of Mirth forums you will notice that people only talk about the game. Thats because the creator of the game answers each and every post. One guy who is creating, programming, directing, producing, marketing, the game answers every single post and is making a game arguably much more difficult technically then dungeon lords.

I like coming here though because there is a diverse community in which each person has their own different takes on how they think dungeon lords will turn out. It is quite obvious that there are young teenagers here as well as mature adults and everything in between.

[Vampire_X]

lol ppl dont get the hint im not reading a bible.

[vazquez595654]

Quote:

Thus are the complexities of human relationships, a constant balancing act sometimes.

I would rewrite that as, "There are the unnecessary complexities of human relationships..."

By complexities what you mean is insecurity, doubt, jealousy, and so on. I think by teaching people that it is okay to react these ways is the problem. If a stranger tells you that you are dumb, you have the choice as to whether you get offended. The people who do get offended usually possess some of the above characterisitics.

I know this is the real world and there are people like that.

But wouldn't you agree that if you could teach people to separate those things and not take them personally society as a whole would be better off?

[Narserke]

Quote:

Thus are the complexities of human relationships, a constant balancing act sometimes.

I would rewrite that as, "There are the unnecessary complexities of human relationships..."

By complexities what you mean is insecurity, doubt, jealousy, and so on. I think by teaching people that it is okay to react these ways is the problem. If a stranger tells you that you are dumb, you have the choice as to whether you get offended. The people who do get offended usually possess some of the above characterisitics.

I know this is the real world and there are people like that.

But wouldn't you agree that if you could teach people to separate those things and not take them personally society as a whole would be better off?

Yeah, probably. It would probably require changing the human condition and the human psyche, as well as human psychology, the things that make people jealous or insecure in the first place.

[vazquez595654]

No I think it is a learned behavior. Since kids we are taught to covet things and to be ashamed of our bodies among other things and to use what other people say about us to form our own self image. I know that it is taught because little kids don't suffer from what we have been talking about.

If you think about it have you ever heard the line, "kids are innocent" and therefore they can say pretty much whatever they want and we don't take it personally or get offended. We just say, "kids." But suddenly as adults we are no longer able to take criticism and we easily get offended. What is the difference between kids and adults? A good amount of time being taught the wrong things. By who? Our parents. Of course no one wants to think their parents are teaching them the wrong things, but you only adopt the behavior of others when you truly think what they are teaching you is good for you. The main problem is the parents themselves think what they are teaching is right and therefore the child ends up adopting the wrong behavior.

I don't think its as difficult as you perceive it to be.

It's only as difficult as changing a behavior. Which isn't that difficult because it only involves the way you think. Imagine, there are people out there who overcome severe drug addictions and alcohol. Overcoming those involve much more then what I've proposed.

[Narserke]

No I think it is a learned behavior. Since kids we are taught to covet things and to be ashamed of our bodies among other things and to use what other people say about us to form our own self image. I know that it is taught because little kids don't suffer from what we have been talking about.

If you think about it have you ever heard the line, "kids are innocent" and therefore they can say pretty much whatever they want and we don't take it personally or get offended. We just say, "kids." But suddenly as adults we are no longer able to take criticism and we easily get offended. What is the difference between kids and adults? A good amount of time being taught the wrong things. By who? Our parents. Of course no one wants to think their parents are teaching them the wrong things, but you only adopt the behavior of others when you truly think what they are teaching you is good for you. The main problem is the parents themselves think what they are teaching is right and therefore the child ends up adopting the wrong behavior.

I don't think its as difficult as you perceive it to be.

It's only as difficult as changing a behavior. Which isn't that difficult because it only involves the way you think. Imagine, there are people out there who overcome severe drug addictions and alcohol. Overcoming those involve much more then what I've proposed.


You are right of course, and I should have known that..i don't know why I didn't think it wasn't a nuture instead of nature thing. it's defiantely a nurture thing, but it's never really discouraged in adulthood. people except there personality no matter what, and other people just don't talk to people they don't like because they are too insecure or jealous driven..but eventually as i said those jealous or insecure people will find someone to feed on their insecurity or who are insecure and thus will put up with even extreme jealousy.

[AxiomOnline]

I didnt think my little post would make such animosity.


I liked the game but if you spend this much time arguing over a game that hasn't been released yet...

time to get outside! Its a nice day go out and get some fresh air folks, arguing on the internet is pointless.

[Vampire_X]

yeah thats what im saying but they just keep going on and on over retarded stuff lol.

[vazquez595654]

I know its not game related but honestly read through what we were discussing and compare that to sitting in front of a computer screen and playing video games in which after your done playing you are exactly the same and some might argue worse off (after losing a couple brain cells).

Then ask yourself which is more "retarded". I'm not saying that I don't enjoy video games but seriously think about it. We were discussing ideas that might help improve some peoples self image and whence allow them to function better in society (so you don't get robbed, beaten up, or murdered) compared to talking about a video game that a year from now none us will probably remember after we've finished it, got bored with it and moved on to something else.

I don't know how old you are and I would never want to force a kid to grow up faster then he/she should because I think being a kid is important but for your future role in society I would be careful of describing things as being "retarded."

I remember when I was younger, saying something was "gay" seemed like no big deal but when you think about it there was a time in history when calling an african american the "N" word was no big deal (even though they still found it quite offensive). I am assuming you don't actually have any retarded family members because if you did you would probably be more sensitive to the term. But its not your fault until you realize it and take responsibility for it. At that point you come one step closer to becoming an adult.

[BullGod]

I didnt think my little post would make such animosity.


I liked the game but if you spend this much time arguing over a game that hasn't been released yet...

time to get outside! Its a nice day go out and get some fresh air folks, arguing on the internet is pointless.

It's only pointless to all of us...somehow they seem to keep it going...page after page... but I keep reading it just so I can get me n edUkShun, day seem smwarter den me :-) <All in jest gents>

I'm goin outside like the 'AX' says! Love to all!
Can't wait for the game!!
P.S. Acording to EBGAMES... MY copy of DL will ship tomorrow <wink><wink>

[phalzyr]

Vaq and nar: Stop it my brain is beginning to hurt too much serious thought when reading your posts :D and so I'll keep it to three lines I'll say simply. Honesty is the best policy.

[Vampire_X]

they will change it bull ebgames will change the date and push it back if they dont get the game they said there delaying the game to mid May so its not comming out tomorow if it did that would be funny tho lol.

[BullGod]

Yea, I knew as much, but hey.....funny things happen! I just checked EB again, and it still says, and I quote:

"Pre-Order: Ships on 04/26/2005"

I read it on the internet, it has to be true, dosen't it? :-)

[Vampire_X]

they do that alot thats just a guess release date usually on the day its suppose to be in stores if it isnt they will push the date back so check back tomorow ebgames will change the date back by a few weeks.

some games that were suppose to come out didnt for several days so they kept pushing it back by a day until finally it came out lol.

[BullGod]

A gamer can dream right :-)

Yea, when I placed the order it was set for the 20th, 3weeks later, on the 20th, it went to the 26th. I think that is a way they try and keep your order. Us dumb consumers :-) Good we havne't caught on yet.

....counting the weeks till Mid May :-)...

[BullGod]

Low and Behold, my spirits are up!! EB lists my purchse to ship on the 28th!! wooohoooo. :-)

Alright, I wont beat a dead horse....anyomore...I know, I know, mid May. But I took Friday off work anyway....just incase.
:-)>

[Vampire_X]

haha that would be funny if it really did ship though but once its 100% done im sure the mods or chuk or who ever will announce it on the forums or get the news out.

**** im so bored i need it now

[BullGod]

I agree. I am bored enough that I....get this....Got out Mech4 and loaded it yesterday. Actually forgot how good it was.

DL dev team, keep up the great work.

[Vampire_X]

i remember playing mech 2 back then the graphics werent to pretty and there was really no point to the game but i liked shooting those missles out that came real fast it was fun on multiplayer.

Yeah no idea what to do , need a girl so bored but then when dungeon lords come out well you can think of the rest ;)

[wicky]

Hey I agree with AxiomOnline. Count me in on the YAY sayers.
I always liked games of DW Bradley.

[BullGod]

Unless DL is a real bomb of a product when it comes out (and I don't expect that at all), I am convinced, even with some glitches, DL has already made my 'personal top 10 favorite's of gaming history list. <mouth watering thinking of whoopin up on some bats>.

I just hope there is some endless 'adventuring' to do. I love story lines, but I also like to wander at my own pace (MW). Like I said in earlier posts, I can STILL spend hours at a time in Vvanderfell.

Happy Thursday!

[Runeblade]

I wish people would learn to quote properly by using the forums quote tags which puts the quote into a blue box thus making it easier to figure out who said what, espcially in some of these long posts. I got confused as to who said what at one point and decided not to read anymore..

So I don't know why the controls are an issue. I didn't have the camera acting weird when I played the demo. Maybe they'll fine tune the controls before the release. All I know is, when I played the demo I was glad you could use the keyboard + mouse to navigate.

Moo.

[Cathail]

I wish people would learn to quote properly by using the forums quote tags which puts the quote into a blue box thus making it easier to figure out who said what, espcially in some of these long posts. I got confused as to who said what at one point and decided not to read anymore..

Some people here aren't even comfortable using punctuation, let alone quotes ;).

[phalzyr]

I wish people would learn to quote properly by using the forums quote tags..

Moo.


Sometimes they just don't work when your splitting one into many smaller quotes...forum bug? I had that issue...