Does anyone really think

[Nnanji2]

That any number of patches could turn this steaming pile of feces into a decent game?

What an utter dissapointment. All those delays, all this hype...and it's hopeless crap.

How sad. I had such high hopes. Who tested this and said it was fun?

You people who put this game out should be ashamed of your involvement and connections to this bowel movement you are calling a game.

[NFLed]

I like the game a whole lot. I am not a fan of many games but I try more rpg's and this one is very well done.

[Nnanji2]

I find that inconcievable.

The interface is the most horrid thing I have ever seen. The combat is awkward and poor...the controls are crap, and the manual makes no sense in many spots.

Not to mention that the type within the manual is so small it gives you a headache to try and read it.

Even the manual is utter garbage for crying out loud.

There is so much wrong with this game it's amazing.

[Masterz]

Then just close your ***** mouth and go play another game. If you say it's crap, then your the crap.

[Nnanji2]

Actually, it would be you're, not your. As in "You are".

Be cool, stay in school.

There's no reason to take it personally. Unless you had a hand in pinching this loaf of a game onto the store shelves.

I paid $40.00 for this crap. I bought my right to say what a load of crap it is.

[NFLed]

I find that inconcievable.

The interface is the most horrid thing I have ever seen. The combat is awkward and poor...the controls are crap, and the manual makes no sense in many spots.

Not to mention that the type within the manual is so small it gives you a headache to try and read it.

Even the manual is utter garbage for crying out loud.

There is so much wrong with this game it's amazing.

The interface is fine. Combat is fairly well done and not just random clicking. The controls are somewhat clunky but not a problem. The graphics are good. The manual is good although it lists some things not in the game (which I don't care about except automap which is coming in a patch). There are a lot of other things I like about the game such as the story, the overall feel of the game, the different items to find, the magic system, the character advancement (stat) system, and so on.

If you can't see that I understand but if you can't even see that someone else would see that then you are in my view very fish-lense view of yourself.

You keep mentioning the manual as if it's 3 separate problems but I don't read the manual when I play, it's the game which counts to me.

There are so many things which people sometimes list as not good on this forum but which I don't give a rat's you-know-what about like in-game music, hair color, and stuff like that.

I recommend playing another game, it's obviously not your cup of tea and I understand that. Hopefully you'll learn to understand that your own point of view is not the only valid point of view.

And I have a right to say what I say as well which is that people like you are what's killing the pc rpg industry with your predictable whining.

[Bugman]

The interface is fine. Combat is fairly well done and not just random clicking.The controls are somewhat clunky but not a problem.

A combat system that is hideously flawed. It relies on action and timing your swings, like Gothic 2, but unlike Gothic 2, the hitboxes and moves are terrible. You never know if your hits are going to connect, and the combat always ends up as a click fest as you jump around and try to get as many hits as possible as a mob of goblins mill about in front of you. Battles never, EVER look remotely like a real fantasy battle, but instead like a drunken mob of cowboys and vikings playing a round of Grab ***.


The graphics are good.

The game looks terrible. Believe it or not, it is based on a graphics engine that is over 5 years old. Remember Wizards & Warriors? Same engine. Believe it. There are improvements, but there is no denying it: Apart from player character models and a few choice outdoor environments, this is an extremely ugly game.



There are so many things which people sometimes list as not good on this forum but which I don't give a rat's you-know-what about like in-game music, hair color, and stuff like that.

The bottom line: Dungeon Lords is nowhere near done, and in a competitive world where release dates are not flexible for B-list products, game publishers have decided to save money for games like Dungeon Lords by forcing consumers to beta test a product which they then patch later, IF the consumers are lucky. Dreamcatcher, I sincerely hope you go under for this mockery you call a “finished product”. You deserve nothing less.


And I have a right to say what I say as well which is that people like you are what's killing the pc rpg industry with your predictable whining.


And because of People like you we got so many Buggy Games these days.
The Publisher can even spipping the biggest peace of crap to there costumer and there are still people out there who think its good.



Note: most stuff from the GH Preview because my English is a litle bit poor (like the Game g)

[Nnanji2]

RPGs are my type of game.

I don't like reading manuals either. In most games, you hit escape, and then you can either remap keys, or can at least see what does what.

Not in this one.

Dude, I paid $40.00, was dying for a good RPG, and I got dated unfinished crap. I'm not talking about hair color and small crap. I'm talking about a game that is unfinished and poorly done. There may be a gem underneath all this pewp, but I am getting mighty tired of digging through the stool to find it.

It's my opinion. Deal with it.

[ChumLord]

And I have a right to say what I say as well which is that people like you are what's killing the pc rpg industry with your predictable whining.
meh, this is an "RPG" in that it meets "bare minimum" requirements the same way that Diablo(I/II) /Dungeon Siege are "RPG's". "Action RPG" I can accept but, RPG it is not. This is an action game with an inventory/stat/skill system.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy DL for what it is, but it's no more an RPG than Doom III is; you assume the 'role' of a character and play a game that is more or less on rails. In a true RPG, you will suffer the consequenses(?sp) of your actions/npc interactions and in-game those actions can have huge ramifications on the way that the campaign plays out and how the endgame unfolds.

Once again, I only have about 20 hours invested in the game sofar so if this game magically transforms into a real RPG somewhere *please* set me straight as knowledge is power and I'm not too proud to admit my own faults...

[Nnanji2]

I keep giving it a shot, and it keeps dissapointing. It's buggy, unfinished, and the description above of the combat is spot on.

How hard would it have been to program a load screen when you die? No, you have to exit first. That's just ............stupid. Minor, but stupid.

I wouldn't mind some minor annoyances. The problem is that as a whole, it's not minor at all.

And the companies who realeased it know it. Why do you think it was delayed month after month? Then day by day?

What absolutely AMAZES me is that is was delayed time after time...and still was released unfinished.

As they say, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I will try and return it tomorrow. I've been robbed.

[Eron]

It turns into an RPG when u smoke lots of ganja and start actually believing that your the character your playing in dungeon lords..

[Nnanji2]

Yes, but when does the steam stop rising off of it? When does the smell go away?

Pewp is pewp.

[ChumLord]

It turns into an RPG when u smoke lots of ganja and start actually believing that your the character your playing in dungeon lords..
LMFAO :) That's pretty much what I expected. No big loss as melee games are pretty hard to come by so I make it a habit never to complain too hard when one hits the market... *Grabs ganja, smokes ganja* Ahh, yeah, it is an RPG...:cool:

[Brainsic]

Should have included in the box...
Wait...
That might account for the whole 2 #2 discs.

[Thalavon]

Ok if this game looks bad then what in the world does Dungeon Siege 2 look like? Because granted the environments look ok, but the models in that game??? Don't tell me that is a new engine because I know it's not =P.

I have to agree though, name one game that has combat like this with race and class selection. Please I'm waiting...honestly...

Don't say Morrowind because that combat was pretty bunk, coulda been a lot better.

I totally agree it should/could look better, I totally agree the models/animations COULD be better, but what game is there that does this?? That is currently out and has the features this one does.

Gothic 1/2 are GREAT, there is no mistaking that, but there is only so many times you can go through with that same main character. They slimmed the choices down from 1-2 also. First it was Swamp sect, fighter or priest(mage), main town militia/fire mage, merc camp mercenary/water mage. Then it went down to Fire mage, Paladin, Mercenary for the 2nd one. 3rd one will be very awesome no doubt but still only a few class choices I'm guessing. Would hope for more but...The main character is awesome, but I do like being a lizardman or something else once in a while, especially in a multiplayer game like DL.

Another thing people never seem to mention about Gothic, despite it being awesome as ****....WHERE were the shields????? Now if you could only parry for real in DL...kinda like DL + Gothic1/2 = Awesome...hahah.....

[Ghalleon]

Buddy, if you dont like the game, then get out of here, and stop wasting everyones time and forum space. The forums are here so we can discuss the game, and try to make it better. Not to flame and bash. Maybe you should find something better to do than to go onto forums and make other people angry. If you truly feel that youve been cheated out of 40$, then well then that's too bad. No one gaurentees that the game will be what you expect when it comes out. Buying it is an investment, and if it so happens that you dont like it, then well you've made a bad investment. No one wants to hear your negativeness or complaining. No one is going to give you a refund, no one cares if you dont like the game, and I dont think your negative attitude is having much of a productive effect either.

FYI- the games engine is actually very good. It takes alot of work to actually go and make your own engine from scratch. Of course you can always do what most other games do and just rip off another engine and wonder why your game runs like crap when you try to cram overly complex models and lighting effects which it cant handle in it. It looks great, and it runs great. You obviously have no concept of how difficult it is to make an actual good working game. Also dont forget that it was because of little weiners like you who ***** about delays during the developement phase, that the game was so hurried. You are a spoiled comsumerist brat, who thinks that he has a right to an opinion just because he spent 40$ on something. So either quit your complaining or get a life.

[Mefi]

Buddy, if you dont like the game, then get out of here, and stop wasting everyones time and forum space. The forums are here so we can discuss the game, and try to make it better. Not to flame and bash.

Honest feedback has an obvious effect. Like patches. But I agree it should be done politely.


Maybe you should find something better to do than to go onto forums and make other people angry. If you truly feel that youve been cheated out of 40$, then well then that's too bad. No one gaurentees that the game will be what you expect when it comes out. Buying it is an investment, and if it so happens that you dont like it, then well you've made a bad investment.

No. You are referring to gambling on whether or not the product is complete. You are referring to gambling on whether this game works on a computer that completely exceeds all specifications listed on the packaging. Personal taste plays no part in this.


No one wants to hear your negativeness or complaining. No one is going to give you a refund, no one cares if you dont like the game, and I dont think your negative attitude is having much of a productive effect either.

I'd rather have a truthful opinion then get told "it's a great game, but there's a couple of twiddly details, like it not being finished and magic not being worthwhile oh and did I mention the slowdowns. And the crazy spawn rate for monsters, oh and the lack of NPCs, and the advertised features not being there and..."


FYI- the games engine is actually very good. It takes alot of work to actually go and make your own engine from scratch.

It does indeed. This game doesn't have a new engine though.


Of course you can always do what most other games do and just rip off another engine and wonder why your game runs like crap when you try to cram overly complex models and lighting effects which it cant handle in it.

Erm, that's exactly what happens when I run this game. Could it be that this is what has happened?


It looks great, and it runs great.

It looks fair-to-middling average. It runs like a one-legged man in quicksand.


You obviously have no concept of how difficult it is to make an actual good working game.

Neither did this company.


Also dont forget that it was because of little weiners like you who ***** about delays during the developement phase, that the game was so hurried. You are a spoiled comsumerist brat, who thinks that he has a right to an opinion just because he spent 40$ on something.

No expressing an opinion is part of both democracy and capitalism.


So either quit your complaining or get a life.

The implication of this statement is that you either don't complain or you have a life. Can I take Option C: I'd rather have a life, and also have a functioning game to play, hence my voicing my complaints about this game. Thanks for your concern though.

[BlackHood]

...and hopefully (yet doubtfull) with the game returned, we can stop reading your complaints

[Nnanji2]

lol

Why do some of you take this stuff so personally? Seems like you are the one in need of a life.

Here's a bit of your own advice.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

And I'm not your buddy pal.

I own the game like you. I have as much right to post my opinion as you.

So kiss my rear end and get your own life, where you don;t take crap personally and read things that **** you off, and THEN spend your own time spewing crap I could care less about.

Conclusion?

I'm sorry the truth hurts, and that this game sucks.

Keep accepting crap from gaming companies, and that is what you will get time and time again.

Having said all that....I apologize. I don't usually take this tone towards games and in forums. I just had very high hopes for this game, and felt they had WAY MORE than enough time to finish it. My frustration needed a vent.

I'e had my say. The game will get some more of my time, and we will see if I can find the gem in the turd. Past that, you will get your wish and I won't keep stating my opinion.

I've said my piece.

[txa1265]

I don't think it is as bad as you make it out to be.

I have had no crashes in the many hours I've put into it - probably 25-30 or so. That is about what it took to finish both HL2 and Doom 3, each of which had more than one CTD ... so DL must be more stable than those, right ;)

There are issues with the game in terms of polish and features, and while I don't care too much about the appearance customization, the poorly implemented Journal, lacking NPC's and lifeless towns, and lack of even a rudimentary integrated map are troubling. I was all the way to Skuldoon when I realized I had to go back to Bolen Fields ...

Personally I find the combat decent - between JKII and Gothic. I think the environs and graphics are pretty nice, better than even some recent FPS like Call of Duty, IMO.

I believe that with patching, the game will become well liked and a very good gaming experience. As I play, however, I do not feel that it will ever be in the 'upper echelon' with games such as KotOR, BG2, Gothic, etc ...

Mike

[Nnanji2]

But a game shouldn't crash, that's hardly something to crow about.

Bootm line, this game could have been MUCH better, and much less frustrating than it is.

The reviews are coming in, and they are spot on. The fact that some of you are enjoying it, and that other people I know are wading through the bugs and issues, is the only reason I am still trying to find the silver lining.

That, and my love for a good RPG. I'm still hoping I can find one somewhere in DL. Call me an optimist.

And from what I have read, this is using a game engine that is 5 years old....so... :confused:

[txa1265]

And from what I have read, this is using a game engine that is 5 years old....so... :confused:

But by the same logic those people use - all of whom use it as a means to pound on the game - the Quake 3 engine is realy derivative of the Q2 engine, then the Q1 engine, which could have you say that when Call of Duty United Offensive came out, it had a 9 year old engine ... even if you are stricter, it has a 4-5 year old engine. And it looked pretty good.

I just got Wizards & Warriors last week, and I have a hard time seeing how they are 'the same'. Perhaps the engine was built off the W&W technology, but that is really about it.

As for crashing, I agree games shouldn't, but it is clear from the Gamershell "review" (loose term) and many posts here, that a crash in this game is taken as a personal affront and proof that we should be suing them and many other things ... but when HL2 crashes, it is a gaming nuisance that we have to deal with because the wide variation of systems makes it impossible to test every configuration.

Mike

[Nnanji2]

I will now say that once I have gotten used to the interface etc, I am actually having fun in the game.

I got stuck in a save, i.e. toon can't move, and had to start again. For some reason the loot got much better, which always helps.

But I have seen some small gems in the turd.

That is not to say that this game is release quality, or even acceptable in many ways.

But at least I am starting to enjoy playing it.

I'll also readily admit I had to make a mental shift back to some old school thinking and give up some preconcieved notions.

[Reguile]

u all sure have alot of time on your hands

[Residuum]

u all sure have alot of time on your hands

LOL! Well, it is Saturday, after all. :o

[txa1265]

I'll also readily admit I had to make a mental shift back to some old school thinking and give up some preconcieved notions.
And I hold the dev and publisher partially responsible for this - I think that the PR around this game talked too much about what 'old school' would mean, leaving it for gamers to infer that it would mean a step away from buggy, rushed games like KotOR 2, VtM: Bloodlines, Lionheart and ToEE ... to the 'old school' days of BG2, etc.

Mike

[Darkstar71]

Hmm...


It's always the same old story in life. If you don' like MY opinion then you're a knob!
I really can'y understand people who take hings SO SERIOUSLY in life.
The fact is this; DL is an unfinished, buggy, problematic game that should never have been released in this abysmal state - PERIOD.
Now if you can't see the problems in this game that so many people are pointing out then you are one of the following:

1. A young gamer who hasn't much experience in actually having the privilege of playing a good, well tested RPG/game.
2. An old gamer who hasn't much experience in actually having the privilege of playing a good, well tested RPG/game.
3. One of the above who has had the privilege of playing a great game but works for DC or HP and will say Black is white no matter what!

I am currently in amazement that people can't honestly see that DL in all it's entirety is a pile of SH*T!
I actually laugh at people who say; "Well, it took me 20 hours to finish HL2 or Doom III, but I'm still playing DL........" - LMFAO. The reason you're still playing DL is because it takes so long to run from Fargrove to Arindale adding on the fact that you have to wait 10 seconds for the computer to load monster spawning as well.

We are angry because the majority of people complaining are avid gamers, with years worth of playing RPG's/games and see this piece of cr*p as a waste of money. We are angry because we are amazed that a company has the audacity to make us pay for a product and BETA test it for them and say they're going to add this and that in the next patch when they already said it was in the game on the box and player manual.

So all I can say to all those people who see no flaws in this game is:

Have you heard that a great way of getting rid of a headache is Russian Roulette? You will get rid of the headache but then again again everything else life has to offer if you loose........
Wake up!! If you want to play good games then complain so that SH*T like this is never released on an unsuspecting public!!!!

[Residuum]

Darkstar, you are the programmer, right? I get you and Plague mixed up sometimes. Plague is the ex-game industry -somthing-or-other that I'm still not sure of what he actually did.

Anyway, as a programmer, you find this game horribly put together, but are you seeing anything else wrong that the regular gamer such as myself can't see?

[Drano]

pardon my french, but whoever started this thread can go cram it, the two disk twos he got, and his map up his ***. They will all have been compressed into a diamond in a week. And by the way-quit taking things so seriously, step outside, take a deep breath, and then never communicate with the fine people who enjoy this game again

[Darkstar71]

Darkstar, you are the programmer, right? I get you and Plague mixed up sometimes. Plague is the ex-game industry -somthing-or-other that I'm still not sure of what he actually did.

Anyway, as a programmer, you find this game horribly put together, but are you seeing anything else wrong that the regular gamer such as myself can't see?

Residuum,

There's nothing wrong with the programming. The game is unfinished and not tested. That is all. Hence why this game is cr*p because it is UNFINISHED. Please read what I'm posting. I have no problems with the design/dev team. I have a big problem with the corporate side of it.
OK?

[Tuskil]

That any number of patches could turn this steaming pile of feces into a decent game?

What an utter dissapointment. All those delays, all this hype...and it's hopeless crap.

How sad. I had such high hopes. Who tested this and said it was fun?

You people who put this game out should be ashamed of your involvement and connections to this bowel movement you are calling a game.


Translation: ME TROLL!! RAAAAAAAH!

[Nnanji2]

Drano,
I guess you missed the part where I started to find things I liked about this game.

Take a pill little fella.

And I will start whatever threads I like and say whatever I like. If that pisses you off, DON'T CLICK AND READ YOU DIPSTICK. :rolleyes:

[Residuum]

Residuum,

There's nothing wrong with the programming. The game is unfinished and not tested. That is all. Hence why this game is cr*p because it is UNFINISHED. Please read what I'm posting. I have no problems with the design/dev team. I have a big problem with the corporate side of it.
OK?

Yes, I have read what you have posted which is why I asked the question. Was just wondering if you saw anything wrong that I would miss. Yes, I understand that you are mad at the corporate side of this release, and I agree with you.