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RitingFool
05-31-2005, 06:41 PM
I received two responses to my letter regarding the industry-wide policy of "release now, patch later.

The first was from Blizzard. I think the responder might have been confused, in that she thought my letter was specifically about World of Warcraft. She spent about a page and a half on how complicated and in-depth WOW is, and how bugs will surely pop up, both in intial release and as more players join the world. The most relevant section with regard to my letter is this paragraph:

"Prior to releasing World of Warcraft, we did extensive testing. During our beta testing phases, we received feedback from multiple public testers that World of Warcraft was a more complete game than other companies games were when they were released. As you have mentioned in your letter, any game is bound to have bugs. As more players join the game, there are more possibilities for bugs to be found. We do attempt to resolve all bugs as they are found."

The second letter was from Activision, which is both more on point, and more in line with my "industry-wide" concept. Here is the letter in its entirety (except for the "thank you" closing paragraph):

"Thank you for your interest and support of Activision products. Our gola is to achieve complete satisfaction among our customers and we appreciated your effort to communicate with us.

With respect to your inquiry, your voice has been heard. I do indeed understand exactly what you are saying. I also took the time to stop by the website and check things out for myself. I too am an avid gamer and can honestly see exactly what you mean by the statement, 'Release now, Patch later'. And it does happen. Speaking of games, gaming platforms, even food ideas for that matter, I feel many times "We the people" are indeed subject to exposing the flaws and/or corrections that will improve the product. Believe me when I tell you that the titles we work on at Activision, Inc., are put through rigorous testing, to ensure the quality of the game for the people prior to the release date. Hopefully we can continue to do this and keep our customers happy. The difference between the PC and console versions of games is the fact that you can patch problems after the initial release of the game. I understand and agree that releasing a game with KNOWN issues is unacceptable. This is not a practice here at Activision, Inc."

Feedback on these two letters is welcome! If I receive any other letters, I'll post them in this space.

Regards,
Michael

P.S. I left the petition open (which is here: http://www.petitiononline.com/DunLord/petition.html), and it currently has 331 signatures (not including duplicates or inappropriate ones I deleted).

blackflame
05-31-2005, 06:57 PM
Great idea, but you'll need tons of signatures. Companies hope to sell 500,000 games. Bad ones sell less of course, but many people don't check them out on the forums first. Usually, it's buy first, ask questions later. Best of Luck!

elbas
05-31-2005, 07:45 PM
340ppl signed x 40$ = 13600$ lost
...all I try to say is that with that money they could have ~two or three high Q programmers to work a month on the game ;)

ByblosHex
05-31-2005, 08:34 PM
Ooops, I already rushed out on the day or release to pick up my DUnegon Lords with two disc twos and 15,000 instalation errors.

daemongod81485
06-01-2005, 12:53 AM
I signed the petition. Very well worded. I hope it gets to them and they address what is said. :)

elbas
06-01-2005, 10:22 AM
I personally think it's the blow in the wind, but maybe someone realise that customers have brain :)

Runeblade
06-01-2005, 10:38 AM
The second letter was from Activision, which is both more on point, and more in line with my "industry-wide" concept. That's why I said a week ago that I wish it was Activision who was DL's publisher (Sorry DC but you guys failed it). They (Activision) always seem to have thier act together IMHO. Hopefully DC will learn something from all the anger and frustration they've created by pushing DL out the door. Heh. As much as I like DL I hate that they did that.

Shock
06-01-2005, 01:34 PM
You should respond back to Blizzard to set them straight that you weren't specifically targeting WoW but the industry in general. You probably got your response from a part time 16 year old customer service agent.

araczynski
06-01-2005, 01:40 PM
I understand and agree that releasing a game with KNOWN issues is unacceptable. This is not a practice here at Activision, Inc."


i.e. we can claim every issue is 'unknown' and still release. more b.s.

elbas
06-01-2005, 06:44 PM
but you can clearly see that everyone is washing their hands from what happened here ;)

joekapeta
06-01-2005, 07:18 PM
I signed the petition. :)

RitingFool
06-02-2005, 10:07 AM
You should respond back to Blizzard to set them straight that you weren't specifically targeting WoW but the industry in general. You probably got your response from a part time 16 year old customer service agent.

I wrote Blizzard a second letter to "set them straight" that the first letter wasn't strictly about WOW or Blizzard specificially. My first reaction was to be rude, because from the tone of her letter, it's almost as if she didn't read my letter properly, and responded in a generic "customer service" manner. But I held off - I figured I'd get more results with "honey" than with "vinegar".

Regards,
Michael

NecroViolator
06-02-2005, 10:37 AM
Sometimes, some people need a kick in the butt...
My life is in a rutt... :eek:

dano420
06-02-2005, 11:41 AM
signed it, I did ...

Shock
06-02-2005, 01:32 PM
Have you noticed that Dreamcatcher is pushing their Obscure game now? Also, have you noticed that nobody is here anymore from the Dungeon Lords design team talking to the players?

It sort of makes you wonder what they expected by releasing a partly finished game to the public. Possibly a "thank you" and a 10 rating from everyone? People are strange.

RitingFool
06-08-2005, 10:44 AM
I got basically a four-sentence letter from Midway regarding my "release now, patch later" letter:

"Thank you for contacting Midway Tech/Customer Support (note: my letter was NOT addressed to these depts.). Please know that regardless of what the content, your feedback is welcomed.

We try and forward all the feedback (good and bad) to the development teams who make the decisions regarding content and features for future titles. Thank you for sharing your opinions regarding the gaming industry."

So basically, it says, "even though you may have reamed us with your letter, we'll try and pass it along anyway."

Regards,
Michael

Sigarr
06-08-2005, 02:37 PM
What You have Posted is not only Highly Suspicious but Extremely Implausible.WHY would Any Publisher Have responded to a Petition addressed to Heuristic Park & Dreamcatcher? Do you think they Read the Forums Here and were stupid enough to think You were adressing THEM? RIDICULOUS!
Please Post the name of the person who Responded from Blizzard and Activision. I know Several People at Both Companies and can easily Verify Or Denounce Your STORY.

RitingFool
06-08-2005, 03:01 PM
Sigarr:

First, I resent your accusations. I originally sent two letters. The first was to Heuristic/Dreamcatcher. This letter dealt both specifically with DL, and also with the industry-wide policy I described (this letter is basically my petition, which is here: http://www.petitiononline.com/DunLord/petition.html. The second version of the letter was to the game industry IN GENERAL. If you go to this thread: http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21718, you will see in my post that I mailed (MAILED, as in the U.S. Post Office) "generic" versions of the letter to everyone else. So please don't insult me by calling me a liar. Do you really think I'd mail a letter that dealt specifically with another company's game to companies having nothing to do with it?

Oh, and by the way, the Blizzard letter was written by Julie Ostrander, and the Activision letter was written by Dov Carson (Tech Support Representative). The Midway letter was basically an unsigned form letter (at least it was written that way) from Customer Support.

Regards,
Michael

Sigarr
06-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Well, First off I never called you a Liar. Secondly,You did Not Mention in this thread that You ALSO sent out "Generic" Copies To ALL Publishers. Had You Done so I would have had no reason to think it was Suspicious.