Just uninstalled after the Tomb of Souls

[vossi]

I really like this kind of rpg. But I cannot find the strenght to continue this game. It has so many flaws... :-(

There was a real big chance missed to create something real special!

There are so many things missing, it is frustrating. Nearly everything seems to be in pre-beta status.

Sad but true.

Can anyone tell me a rpg that is worth playing?

The last I played:
- DL :-(
- KOTOR II - ok
- NWN
- Morrowind

Would like to play "System Shock 3" :-)))

[Runeblade]

There aren't many good RPG's unless you like those MMORPG things or those RTS's which I can't say I like very much. You'll have to wait for Oblivion or try something like Enclave or go for a good shooter like Clive Barkers Undying. I dunno. It sucks being a RPG player in this day and age and if it wasn't for Morrowind and a few games like DL we'd be out of the picture. After I finish DL I'm going back to Morrowind.

By the way if you want System Shock 3 it's not going to happen yet but they are making a game called Bioshock (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/bioshock/preview_6110044.html) instead. ;)

[tet666]

maybe you should try the gothic games if you havent played them already they are by far my best rpg experience besides morrowind.

[vossi]

and yes they were great!

Is there nothing on the market, worth playing?!

[3days]

If you use on of the DL editor's listed on this forum or Typhoons you should be able to get around most of the game stoppers.
I have compiled those that work here
http://www.geocities.com/northern_games/downloads.html
I cannot personally vouch for Alis' but the rest seem to work.

A neat game in the Alpha/Beta stage that I recently found is Mount and Blade. Great little game and if you like it and pay the 10 or 12 bucks (whatever it is now) I doubt you would regret it.
Here is the link http://www.taleworlds.com/

Another that some people seem to like although I have not tried is Fate.
http://www.playfate.com/
Zacho

[Belhawk]

I enjoyed wizardry 8, older game and older graphics. tough fighting, 3d world, battles can be slow.

[vossi]

I enjoyed wizardry 8, older game and older graphics. tough fighting, 3d world, battles can be slow.

me 2! It was great :-)
And finally the Dark Savant beaten!

[rag]

I notice you didn't mention Ultima Ascension? if we are talking old school- I'm tempted to play it again now I have a machine that can handle it with full aa and af.

[freshjuice]

Surprisngly, I personally think Bradley's older game Wizards & Warriors, was better than this effort. It's much more story driven and has a higher reply value, IMO. It is old, though.

[Alfheira]

Can anyone tell me a rpg that is worth playing?
Try Gothic and Gothic II. If you still don't know these you got lots to do. Graphics are old (Part 1 was published 2001 and part 2 was based on the same engine) and the inventory is a mess. But the story is far from average and the fights are tough. I think it's rated 17+ but don't expect too much gore. The rating is for the sex-scenes and "weed"-smoking I guess ;)

[LazyMonk]

Can anyone tell me a rpg that is worth playing?

The last I played:
- DL :-(
- KOTOR II - ok
- NWN
- Morrowind
you should do KOTOR I !!! much better than kotor II. unlike II, the story of kotor I is very good and complete, no bugs (almost).

[Bugman]

Try Gothic and Gothic II. If you still don't know these you got lots to do. Graphics are old (Part 1 was published 2001 and part 2 was based on the same engine) and the inventory is a mess. But the story is far from average and the fights are tough. I think it's rated 17+ but don't expect too much gore. The rating is for the sex-scenes and "weed"-smoking I guess ;)


Yea Gothic2 is for a RPG fan a must play like Morrorwind.

[Zombra]

Can anyone tell me a rpg that is worth playing?
I loved Vampire: Bloodlines. A few people around here have trashed it for bugginess ... but if you've played Dungeon Lords recently, you will find Bloodlines very complete and stable by comparison. :)

Actually, Bloodlines was patched and I played it through to the end with only one or two minor problems. Shouldn't be that bad for anyone with a relatively modern system.

I heartily recommend it.

Oh, and this is coming from someone who doesn't think "vampire chic" is actually cool at all.

[NecroViolator]

I bought yesterday Guild Wars....
OMG this game is AWESOME... The Graphics are super FAST and HUGE worlds and tons of Quests and LOTS of people an things to do in Cities...

AND NO ONLINE FEES....
Its FREEEE to play online...You of course have to BUY any game to play it... :D ...
Standing in the Cities talking to people around the WORLD and watching them Dance and play Air Guitar and alot of other weird stuff... Man I laughed so hard reading some of the people talking to each other...

I thought... MY GOD, someone STILL can Program in ASSEMBLER !@!

[Timereaver]

Hey 3Days - great tips on those two games thanks!! (Mount & Blade and Fate)

Timereaver

[Timereaver]

Yeah, I cant wait until Bioshock comes out. SO GLAD those guys decided to do their own version of System Shock 3 because EA is so stupid with not letting the licence go.

Timereaver

[Runeblade]

I bought yesterday Guild Wars....
OMG this game is AWESOME... The Graphics are super FAST and HUGE worlds and tons of Quests and LOTS of people an things to do in Cities...

AND NO ONLINE FEES....
Its FREEEE to play online...You of course have to BUY any game to play it... :D ...
Standing in the Cities talking to people around the WORLD and watching them Dance and play Air Guitar and alot of other weird stuff... Man I laughed so hard reading some of the people talking to each other...

I thought... MY GOD, someone STILL can Program in ASSEMBLER !@!

Shutup Necro! Your going to make me buy that game. :p :D

[phalzyr]

Yep I agree if you played KOTOR 2 but not 1 (why would you but hey...) then Play kotor 1 same engine much better storyline and they actually finished it, unlike Oblivion's sequel. Wizard and Warriors DW's previous game I had fun playing and story was great till I hit a game stopping bug and by the time patch came out game was gone (I lent to friend and he ?lost it? or his kids done somethign with it. anyway never got it back) I think it is a better game than this one and DL uses same (slightly modiefied graphics) for this game. That is probably their main problem with this gaem. Using an engine that looked a bit old when WW came out for something these day, then stress the engine by putting a bit better grahpics...No wonder it runs bad...

[txa1265]

Let's see what I can think of ...

2005:
- KotOR2: excellent beginning (better than #1, IMO), good middle, mediocre end.
- Heretic Kingdoms: nice 30-ish hour action RPG with cool, unique features that differentiate it ... plus a nice price.
- Fate: some thing of WildTangent as 'spyware', but I love the game
- Dungeon Lords ... you'll have to wait until my review is published at GamerDad ;)
- Mount & Blade: looks like fun, I just started.

2004:
- VtM: Bloodlines: a real fave of mine. Dark and gritty, with loads of cool stuff to do and replayability. Get past the issues, and you've got a great game.
- Sacred: big game, more 'fedex' quests than you can count. Gets boring, IMO.
- Beyond Divinity: don't know why, I just never got into it and don't like it.
- I of the Dragon: I only played the demo, which I thought was crap.

2003:
- KotOR: one of the best RPG's ever.
- NWN: Hordes of the Underdark - the best story of the bunch. Cool Epic builds
- NWN: Shadows of Undrentide - weakest of the bunch, IMO, but still a fun game.
- Lionheart: looking for 20 fun hours? Play through Barcelona and until you get bored and then uninstall - it never gets better. Good beginning but never finished.
- Temple of Elemental Evil: beautiful, no-nonsense dungeon crawler that was buggy and unpatched and spelled Troika's doom. With the 'Circle of Eight' patch it is very enjoyable.

2002:
- Neverwinter Nights: I bought this for Mac in Aug 2003 to 'prep' for KotOR, and have been a RPG nut ever since.
- Arx Fatalis: good game, but too few 'crumbs' to find your way through the plot at times ... even experienced RPG'ers end up with a walkthrough on this one.
- Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind: a divisive game some have termed 'single player MMO', but unquestionably huge, open, and buggy.
- Dungeon Siege: ... oh, pardon me, did I doze off .... zzz ...
- Icewind Dale II: a new Infinity engine game ... in summer 2002? More dungeons ... and harder.
- Gothic II: one of my all time faves.
- Divine Divinity: great, 100+ hour action-based game ... truly massive, but ultimately little replayability.

2001:
- BG2: Throne of Bhaal: a big enough expansion to warrant its' own listing, and a really good game.
- Wizardry 8: supposed to be good, still sells for a good price on eBay.
- Gothic: great game, bad controls.
- Arcanum: if you choose well, it is a great game, if not an exercise in frustration. I chose well, and love this quirky game!
- Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor: Pure crap! Not only that, but any excuse for it to exist has been superceded by better games like ToEE and Sacred.

2000:
- Baldur's Gate 2: a truly amazing game in both scope and accomplishment.
- Icewind Dale: nice dungeon crawl, not much else.
- Nox: fun little action-RPG
- Vtm: Redemption: good game, but hard to mix 3d action and 4 player party.
- Wizards & Warriors: I've not gotten far, hung up by the 'roll for high scores' in character creation.

1999:
- Planescape Torment: a vastly underappreciated game in terms of sales and current knowledge. Critically thought of as one of the all-time greats, and for good reason.

1998:
- Baldur's Gate: changed the RPG world with a great immersive world.
- Fallout 2: More of a good thing oftn *is* a good thing ...
- Final Fantasy VII: direct PS port. No clue on this one.

1997:
- Fallout: take RPG out of the fantasy world, with great results!

1996:
- Diablo: I was always a shooter fan, but also loved fantasy stuff and had done my D&D time in highschool in the early 80's, so my wife buys me this for Christmas. I play for a while, then swear off RPG as 'teh suxorz' until NWN in 2003.

Then there are the nifty Spiderweb games, nice shareware stuff.

Feel free to add stuff - I chose to only include games with significant 'single player' games.

Mike

[Zyxial]

Here are a few ideas... and some were mentioned, some weren't, many are 3 yrs old or older and should be found at quite good bargain prices for the fun...

Arx Fatalis

Severance, Blade of Darkness (the most realistic, gore filled rpg I've seen. If anyone knows of anything like this please post as well). an aboslute gem... and imo any action RPG needs to try to capture the reality of this combat system, and I am not talking about the ghore involved just the mechanics, especially bows, just awesome.

Wizards & Warriors (if you want to do a DW Bradley)
Crusaders of the Dark Savant (going way back, another DW)

Elder Scrolls 3 series

Baldurs Gate 1 & 2 series

Dark Age of Camelot ( very nice MMoRPG, better be good at making friends, as the best content you'll need help to accomplish) and pay to play btw. and if MMoRPGs are okay for u... try World of Warcraft, or Star Wars Galaxies as well. And if you do I have accounts for sale in all three games. If you are a star wars nut, Galaxies is truly awesome... graphically puts the KotOR 1&2 to shame...

Vampire the Masquerade (if you don't mind a linear game, nice stoy tho)

Evil Islands (very nice unique game, I liked alot. wish a sequal had been made, or add-on). if you haven't tried is a lot of fun. Its uniqueness will catch your eye.

Sacrifice (although not a true RPG, it mixxes a bit of RPG feel, with lots of action, a decent story, and very unique landscape). This is more a RTS in first person view.

Sacred (if you are into Diablo 2)

Darkstone (another Diablo-isc kinda game... but nice.)

Most of all those titles should be found for less than $20 now... all except blade... and that one wasn't released much in the states so be prepeared to search for a copy and pay alot for it. That is of course if you prefer to buy the games you play. Which I do if they are worth their salt...

And the best part of all those titles have high replay value (except for maybe Vampire... but character developement is much like Dungeon lords... and can be fun to check different abilities, but you can do that in Multi-player sessions, and not go back thru the same unchanging end story).

[txa1265]

Severance, Blade of Darkness (the most realistic, gore filled rpg I've seen. If anyone knows of anything like this please post as well). an aboslute gem... and imo any action RPG needs to try to capture the reality of this combat system, and I am not talking about the ghore involved just the mechanics, especially bows, just awesome.

I don't consider this an RPG *at all* ... not to take away from it, but it is a pure action hack-n-slash, with a tremendous combat system that holds u pwell to this day. It takes games like Rune to the next level, really getting you into things.

Besides, how can you complain about a game where you can cut off one guys head and use it to beat the next guy to death?

As for price, I got it off eBay really cheap last year, <$10 incl shipping, and there are a bunch of listings here. (http://search.ebay.com/blade-of-darkness_Video-Games_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsac atZ1249)

Mike

[Zyxial]

yeah true ... I mentioned in another post it didn't have crap as far as charcter developement... but it still has RPG feel... some of the things you have to do to get by certain places make a great RPG feel... I guess more action adventure then RPG... would love to see this combat system with more of the Character Developement.

It is the one place the game lacks... but as you said by far makes up for it with the system itself... its about the weapons... the story and of course coming out the other end with your head still attached...

Would you agree that any RPG fan would like this one tho as well? especially those into more the action RPG's... especially for .99 .

oh and don't forget the Hannibal Lector Mod ... where you can cook the arm over a fire and eat it for hitpoint replenishment.

[Runeblade]

- Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor: Pure crap! Not only that, but any excuse for it to exist has been superceded by better games like ToEE and Sacred. Ugh what a letdown that was. The original Pool Of Radiance I played on the C64 was more fun than that thing. Thats pretty sad.

[IWilLXIX]

I went thru the high school d&d thing and most time I can't wait to get my hands on the "latest rpg". For me though they have to be 3rd person or I wont buy it. I enjoyed diablo when it came out. Baldurs gate was another good one, especially Bg2. Nwn really got the ball rolling with all the people making mods for it. Hordes of the underdark was a tremendous addition to Nwn. DL though is falling on it's ***. I like the feel of how the game plays but there is alot of stuff missing in the game. Did they just figure we will make enough money off of the "rpg" community to justify selling a game in that kind of shape?

[freshjuice]

Let's see what I can think of ...

2005:

- Mount & Blade: looks like fun, I just started.



I noticed this in your listing (which, I experess respectful reservation about, particularly regarding Morrowind & Wizard & Warriors ... but I digress :) )

So, I looked this game up and downloaded it.

All I can say is--- this little indie game written by a turkish couple suuuuuuuure makes DC & HP look bad right now! Wow. :eek:

[txa1265]

I noticed this in your listing (which, I experess respectful reservation about, particularly regarding Morrowind & Wizard & Warriors ... but I digress :) ): ??? I have no opinion of Wizards & Warriors because I really haven't played - because I always get hung up on the 'roll for stats' when you can get different totals, I'll spend hours re-rolling for stronger characters.

Morrowind I liked, I just like tighter games, story-wise. And while I don't crash like most, I have not really heard people say 'never had a crash', it is always 'not too bad'.


All I can say is--- this little indie game written by a turkish couple suuuuuuuure makes DC & HP look bad right now! Wow. :eek:

If Dungeon Lords & Restricted Area are the future of PC RPG's, it is bleak.

If Fate and Mount & Blade are the future ... let me get out my shades ;)

Mike

[Gorric]

Bards Tale is supposed to be out for PC shortly I think, plays a little like Dungeon Siege I think.

[Coatimundi]

Let's see what I can think of ...

- Nox: fun little action-RPG


Okay, that's hardcore obscure. I thought I was the only person that played this game. Some nasty boss battles. I replayed this game with all three (count 'em) character types. The final end boss fight was totally different each time.

I'll match your obscure reference to Nox with a pointer to Revenant:

http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/10364/

Interesting to note that Revenant had 1) Asian martial arts themes in a dungeon-style RPG way back when (late 1999) 2) fairly complex combat system. And a huge initial bug that broke the "learn additional combo moves" mechanism because the default keyboard mapping became corrupted if you remapped any keys. Once you tweaked the keyboard .ini file it worked (and oh did you need those new combo moves). Sigh, good times...

txa1265, it was interesting to note the absence of Diablo II from your list. I can't believe that you didn't play it at least a bit??? I think the gambling/chance/random level regeneration aspect of DII was something none of the other "Diablo" clones have come close to. You can almost feel the pseudo-random number generators grinding constantly, more than in any other game I've played. The reward-to-treadmill ratio was almost optimal to keep obsessive-type personalities (i.e., me) replaying. More like playing a slot machine than an RPG though.

I really like thinking about combat systems (thus CRPGs naturally). While the original Gothic combat system (you can change this in GII) seems awkward, it does allow for depth of control unavailable in a hack-n-slash like DL. Draken (yet another obscure reference) actually had the first combat system that for me felt sort of immersive. At first I thought DL would have a deeper combat system but it sort of plateaus once you get all the agility moves and some decent speed - and that's a shame. For me, getting good at combat is what makes all the slogging up the levels worth the effort: a bit of real experience along with the artificial kind.

BTW, your post was so in-depth I bookmarked it for future reference, how did you ever find time to play all those games? Wow.

[Zyxial]

Well just downloaded and played for about 2 hours Mount and Blade... Nice... Although a bit choppy on graphics this game will rock if it gets some money behind it...

Thoroughly addictive and fun... a refreshing spin on rpg's. Although it has its small problems much better than DL. And like TXA said still cheaper... and by purchasing this you will definately be supporting a better game design and more immersive RPG...

It does remind me of Blade of Darkness in little ways. I like it, I like it alot... Thanks TXA

[txa1265]

Mount and Blade... <snip> ... Thanks TXAWish I could take credit - I think someone on the Typhoon forums pointed it out.


Okay, that's hardcore obscure. I thought I was the only person that played this game. Some nasty boss battles. I replayed this game with all three (count 'em) character types. The final end boss fight was totally different each time. I only played once, but might play it again.


I'll match your obscure reference to Nox with a pointer to Revenant.I thould I heard of it before ... don't know why I didn't grab it. I tried the demo a bit, controls took a bit to get used to, but seems like some possible fun.


txa1265, it was interesting to note the absence of Diablo II from your list. I can't believe that you didn't play it at least a bit??? After hating Diablo, I wanted nothing of RPG, especially Diablo II. And when I started playing RPG's again in 2003, I stuck to D&D typesand KotOR, then Gothics, then others ... eventually getting some action-RPG, to the point where last winter people were urging me to try Diablo II again. I downloaded the demo, and it felt like Sacred with bad graphics ... thought about buying it, but it is not cheap enough to lure me.


BTW, your post was so in-depth I bookmarked it for future reference, how did you ever find time to play all those games? Wow. Interesting note - I always needed a bunch of sleep. But my wife had loads of complications with our second son and spent two weeks in the hospital, and he had a couple of apnea episodes (i.e. stopped breathing). As a result I had to work full time and take care of a newborn, a toddler and my wife ... and I've never needed more than a few hours sleep since. So I can game until midnight and get up at 4PM for my morning run.

Mike

[Phobe_Greystaff]

I quite liked Dungeon Seige, besides which they are beta testing the new one for an August release date - probably same time as we get the 1.2 patch!

[txa1265]

txa1265, it was interesting to note the absence of Diablo II from your list. I can't believe that you didn't play it at least a bit???
I just grabbed the 'Battle Chest' off eBay for cheap - if I hate it I'll blame you ;)

Mike

[Hacknshoot]

I just grabbed the 'Battle Chest' off eBay for cheap - if I hate it I'll blame you ;)

Mike


Heh, I like the game, but that's because I have some friends on there that were giving me some high level stuff. I still have some powerful people, because I haven't been gone for too long. ;)

[Coatimundi]

I just grabbed the 'Battle Chest' off eBay for cheap - if I hate it I'll blame you ;)

Oh no! I'd better change my username!

One weird element of the Diablo II experience that you can't repro with the Battle Chest was the fabulous aspect of applying patches 1-10 as they came out. Each patch had major bug fixes mixed together with huge play-balancing changes. So if you needed the bug fix you could end up totally ruining a character you'd spent weeks skill tuning. For example, the whirlwind skill for barbs was crazy-powerful and then they totally nerfed it.

Thus you had this amazing meta-level of chance regarding what might happen with each patch. Ah, such fun.

I wish DL had more gambling quests like the one at the end of the Tomb of Souls where you can get a really decent weapon if you keep replaying a saved game. I love a mini-exploit that exchanges resolute, dogged perseverance for a chance at something really nice. Diablo II has this all over the place. You can keep replaying major battles and get really good stuff and experience at the same time. Not very RPG I know but fun in a gambling-addiction sort of way.