Dungeon Lords: #10 of Top 10 Selling Games Last Week

[Shock]

You're not going to believe this, but look here sort of in the lower right hand corner. Dungeon Lords ran #10 in computer game sales between 05/01/05 - 05/08/05, bugs and all. /shrug

http://pc.gamespy.com/

I guess anything that's an RPG will sell whether it's finished or not. Sad.

[txa1265]

So it has definitely sold in the 10's of thousands of copies ... but I bet it was a pretty slow week for sales - Guild Wars sold 2.5x as much as WoW, and the #5 game sold only 20% as much as GW. And Dungeon Lords was behind KotOR 2, which has been out for 4 months.

Sales figures are always interesting ...

Mike

[Tonedeff]

It was a bestseller, but I think it will start selling up better once the patch is released. They should take the games from the stores and put the new once with the patch included.

[Hacknshoot]

It was a bestseller, but I think it will start selling up better once the patch is released. They should take the games from the stores and put the new once with the patch included.

You mean like with Neverwinter Nights? Good game, I got it when Gold came out and then bought HotU for it. It had already been updated, so I didn't need to worry about that.

I'm surprised that it isn't any higher on the board. Sure, this is because you see all this cool stuff on the back, and people (usually) don't read the forums before they buy the game, but I know(and like the fact) that nothing can be perfect the first time around. I like the game, myself.

[Tonedeff]

Well people should learn to read reviews and view forums related to the game before buying. I knew this game had problems but I still got it because I know the game company is still alive.

[Sigarr]

[QUOTE=Shock]You're not going to believe this, but look here sort of in the lower right hand corner. Dungeon Lords ran #10 in computer game sales between 05/01/05 - 05/08/05, bugs and all. /shrug
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You must take into account that this first week of Initial Sales also included "Pre-Orders". Also,at this point,no Potential Buyer had any Clue as to the Actual State the Game was in when released. Most went on the Assumption that since it was a D.W.Bradley Game that it, Most Likely, Was a Good Game.
Being #10 in a Field of Releases,Some of Which had been out for sometime already, is No Feat whatsoever when You Consider there was not another Single NEW Release that could have been ahead of it. IF it had been #10 in a Field of 20 All NEW Releases that would be entirely Different. It Wasn't.
To make the Assumption that since it was #10 it "Must have Sold in the tens of Thousands of Copies" is a Totally Unwarranted Assumption. For,as We now Know it did Not sell Tens Of Thousands of Copies.
The Initial Orders from the Major USA Retailers were somewhere in the Neighborhood of 35,000 Copies. There has not Been ANY Second Orders made by any Of the Major Retailers. And Many of the Major Retailers Still have as Much as 40% of their Initial Orders of DL STILL on their Shelves! Sales of DL have not even Risen to the level of meeting A "GOOD" Sales item and far,far,far from being a "Top" Seller.

[tetsuo666]

lol i dont think it will be in the top ten next week ,especially now that the pc version of gta:sa is out and has more from a rpg than this game ever had.

[Poot]

Considering that the developers only get 10-25& of the final sales price, 10K copies is not very much at all. :(

[Patch61]

Considering that the developers only get 10-25& of the final sales price, 10K copies is not very much at all. :(

Actually, the developers don't get anything until the publisher gets theirs.

[Xyyth]

It was a bestseller, but I think it will start selling up better once the patch is released. They should take the games from the stores and put the new once with the patch included.

But from a business standpoint, they would lose money by doing that. They have to sell all the previously printed copies first and then they can make a second printing with all the fixed material. That's usually how it works.

[Visigoth]

Yeah, well when you think of what was promised, its no suprise that its on the top ten list... I'll bet good money though that its currently holding the spot of "most returned".

[Visigoth]

lol i dont think it will be in the top ten next week ,especially now that the pc version of gta:sa is out and has more from a rpg than this game ever had.


Ok, this post is laughable. GTA: SA a roleplaying game?? Errrr...no.

[Xyyth]

GTA: SA is more of an action adventure.

Most of the games from Bioware are RPGs: Baldur's Gate (a step up from old school), KOTOR (new school)

In this day and age, people can easily get confused, especially when you have to jump around a lot and dodge things like an arcade game.

[Shock]

I agree. RPGs are becoming way too "arcadey" these days. It's ridiculous.

[freshjuice]

IMO, the better indicator is Amazon.com sales:

As of this moment, it's #807 in Computer & Video Games

compare to a fairly buggy and incomplete KOTOR 2, which has been out longer:
#32 in Computer & Video Games

Conclude what you will...

[txa1265]

compare to a fairly buggy and incomplete KOTOR 2, which has been out longer: #32 in Computer & Video Games Well, two things, I would call KotOR 'rushed', with a butchered ending that was glitchy and unpolished, but not necessarily unfinished ...

But the main thing, I remember reading an estimate that 90% of KotOR sales came from the XBox - and if you remember that KotOR was one of the best selling PC RPG's ever, it puts it into context.

Mike

[freshjuice]

But the main thing, I remember reading an estimate that 90% of KotOR sales came from the XBox -

It seems to me that the sales numbers for different platforms are reported seperately. I looked this up on amazon to see if I was mistaken, and found (as of this posting):

- XBOX version of KOTOR 2: currently #62
- PC version of KOTOR 2: currently #40

XBox Sales are higher in the long run, as the XBox version was released months earlier.

However, the # 40 rank of KOTOR 2 vs. Dungeon Lords rank (as of this posting) of # 1,255 looks like an apples-to-apples comparison of PC sales.

I guess what I'm trying to convey is: sales of Dungeon Lords are in the toilet ...relatively speaking.

[txa1265]

My mistake ...

[Visigoth]

I agree. RPGs are becoming way too "arcadey" these days. It's ridiculous.


I was always a HUGE fan of turn based combat... if only "Temple of Elemental Evil" by Troika Games had been what it promised to be, I'd be in heaven... imagine how many good ol' D&D modules could have been realized with that game engine. I was SO hoping that it would be hugely successful so I coul run through something like "The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth" or the entire Drow series of mods or the "Desert of Desolation" series.... argh. As usual, it was rushed, buggy, and a sore diappointment that no community created content could truly save.

The buyer gets the shaft..... again. :(


I can only hope that some developer out there with an old Dungeons and Dragons soul will make a difference.

[Xyyth]

I see where Atari has reaquired the D&D license for another 7 years. I hope they do something positive with it.

[Hacknshoot]

Did you not get Demon Stone? That was an Atari game for D&D, and is a pretty good game.

[txa1265]

Did you not get Demon Stone? That was an Atari game for D&D, and is a pretty good game.

Demon Stone?

Good Game?

RUNEBLADE - GET 'IM!!!

;)

Mike

[Hacknshoot]

But seriously, I'm stuck on that game. It's fun, but hard on easy! I'm on Mission 5, and get STUCK on one part. That has to be the one point that sucks.(I even have Mythril Full Plate ;) )

I surrender! *waves white flag*

[Shock]

Once you play games like Demon Stone, D&D Heroes, Champions of Norrath, and the Dark Alliance games on Xbox or PS2 then you tend to notice how they are all the same hack and slash boring trash that keeps coming out. They are not RPGs. They are linear action games.

[txa1265]

Personally I just don't like the camera and controls and feeling of detachment I get in games like Demon Stone and LotR: Return of the King ... I'm not a console guy - never got too far in Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance on the 'family' (read: kids') GameCube, depite tearing through it 3 or 4 times on the GBA.

Mike

[Hacknshoot]

I played Demon Stone on the computer, and the fact that *I* had some hard times getting the moving to work at times tells you, right away, that it can be a pain.(*I*, because I usually figure out the best control pattern automatically, and that's sad when I can't.)

[NFLed]

I never played Demon Stone in part because of its bad reviews. Luckily for me I bought Dungeon Lords before the reviews since I happen to disagree with the reviews to a huge degree. LotR: Return of the King was fun but it didn't give me the same type of fun (longer lasting and something I will remember) as a decent rpg.

[bromung]

What exactly is your purpose on this board? 100% of what you do has to do with defending this game in any way shape or form. You are either an incredibly weird person who for some reason gets off on defending an unfinished game or you are simply one of it's developers. Without a doubt, you are one of two.

[Shock]

I don't think he's a developer. I've seen him on other game site messageboards.

[WharGoul]

I was always a HUGE fan of turn based combat... if only "Temple of Elemental Evil" by Troika Games had been what it promised to be, I'd be in heaven... imagine how many good ol' D&D modules could have been realized with that game engine. I was SO hoping that it would be hugely successful so I coul run through something like "The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth" or the entire Drow series of mods or the "Desert of Desolation" series.... argh. As usual, it was rushed, buggy, and a sore diappointment that no community created content could truly save.

The buyer gets the shaft..... again. :(


I can only hope that some developer out there with an old Dungeons and Dragons soul will make a difference.
I know how you feel about that one :)
Neverwinter Nights was good buy NWN2 I can only hope they keep improving..
HoTU is what NWN original modules should have been :)
D&D online looks tempting enough to get me to play MMORPG for more than a week( Guild Wars just doesn't do it for me, meh)
http://www.ddo.com/

[blackflame]

It was a bestseller, but I think it will start selling up better once the patch is released. They should take the games from the stores and put the new once with the patch included.

I guess the 'organization' doesn't care how they spell their name either! :)

[Axell]

The more 'RPG' titles we see coming out the door, the more they stray from the true-type old school RPG. The last harcore RPG I played was Neverwinter Nights, but nothing beats good old Fallout and Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale series, IMHO.