I wish it were stupidity!

[Khluzainn]

I would love to go through the list of malcontents and habitual whiners on this forum and apply the label of "Absolute Moron" to each and every one of them. Alas, I can't in good conscience do that. It is not about intelligence it would seem, as their words are often cohesive. For the most part they have a grasp of the English language and can elaborate on their observations and ideas.

I am fearful that the problem is more about character and perspective than it is about mental prowess. What I have been hearing "appears" to fall under the category of selfishness and entitlement. In a close knit environment where people in the community want success, there is an attitude of service to help things turn out for the best. When someone says "Its not my job to help" and watches as the ship sinks, it is a sad day in any endeavor and DL is no exception.

I am guilty of being an optimist however, I am burdened with the knowledge of a realist. It takes more than what some people want to give to make a success sometimes. And it is a shame for the "I spent 40 bucks so screw you all" mentality to take hold of anyone who truly appreciates the labor and reward of a high caliber production. Forty-odd bucks is dust in the wind compared to the time, energy, money and personal sacrifice that has gone into the making of Dungeon Lords regardless of its state.

I am a fan of putting my money where my beliefs are and I am proud to have spent(or ill-spent as some of you would say) my money on an endeavor worth supporting. Let DL and its staff and those with REAL investment push it as far as it may go before the non-contributors relegate it to the recycle bin.

As they often say in movies when there is a dying man in the street... "Step back and give him some space!". If you want DL to live, give a bit of space instead of suffocating it with your false entitlement. If you want DL to die, then continue with your current loud-mouth beratement and call your death-mongering what it is.

Oh and If this thread gets moved or closed... I won't cry like an infant.

Pax Vobiscum

[Glendrum]

Yah i see your point. I mean why should we complain about something that isnt even close to being finished being sent out with a $40 price tag. Yes there is alot of work that goes into their work but that finished product and ALL that work is what the money we spend is suppose to compensate, isnt it? I admit that i sometimes go way overboard but perhaps its because this is the ONLY place i can go in the hopes that those responsible will hear me. IT sure doesnt pay to call them direct. When i first bought the game i called them, before i even knew about this forum, to ask whats up. I thought i got a bad copy or something. I got hung up on 4 times in a row. No apology, no explanation, just "please hold" wait 2 mins and dial tone....

Also there is the idea that the more people that complain and complain often, the less likely someone that happens to read the forum before buying it will be snowed by the artificial "this is the greatest game of all time" comments that their employees throw on here to protect their jobs.

[Hickmanj]

I would love to go through the list of malcontents and habitual whiners on this forum and apply the label of "Absolute Moron" to each and every one of them. Alas, I can't in good conscience do that. It is not about intelligence it would seem, as their words are often cohesive. For the most part they have a grasp of the English language and can elaborate on their observations and ideas.

I am fearful that the problem is more about character and perspective than it is about mental prowess. What I have been hearing "appears" to fall under the category of selfishness and entitlement. In a close knit environment where people in the community want success, there is an attitude of service to help things turn out for the best. When someone says "Its not my job to help" and watches as the ship sinks, it is a sad day in any endeavor and DL is no exception.

I am guilty of being an optimist however, I am burdened with the knowledge of a realist. It takes more than what some people want to give to make a success sometimes. And it is a shame for the "I spent 40 bucks so screw you all" mentality to take hold of anyone who truly appreciates the labor and reward of a high caliber production. Forty-odd bucks is dust in the wind compared to the time, energy, money and personal sacrifice that has gone into the making of Dungeon Lords regardless of its state.

I am a fan of putting my money where my beliefs are and I am proud to have spent(or ill-spent as some of you would say) my money on an endeavor worth supporting. Let DL and its staff and those with REAL investment push it as far as it may go before the non-contributors relegate it to the recycle bin.

As they often say in movies when there is a dying man in the street... "Step back and give him some space!". If you want DL to live, give a bit of space instead of suffocating it with your false entitlement. If you want DL to die, then continue with your current loud-mouth beratement and call your death-mongering what it is.

Oh and If this thread gets moved or closed... I won't cry like an infant.

Pax Vobiscum


First off, I'm want DL to die and never get finished - especially for fanboys like yourself who seems to think he can spout off whenever (er, it sounds incredibly like a whining baby-ish post to me.... lol... but then again, fanboys are constantly unaware of their own hypocrisy and whining).

Second, D.W. Bradley was pretty much dead in the water (no one would buy his idea for Dungeon Lord's until DC finally stepped up) .... now he's.... errrr... double dead?

Third, DC can now offer an official brand of ibuprofen called "Painkiller" to help all of us who have been royally screwed in the *** by their unethical business practices (oh, I forgot, lots of corrupt unethical suits do it... so it must be okay.... lol)

Fourth, I like to occasionally *****. I figure each post I make is about 10 cents. At 39.99 (rounded up ) that is about 400 complaints I get to make.

Five, this game ******* sucks, they knew it, they released it, now they can listen to us as many times as we **** please.

Six, you should sign up to be a moderator here since they are clearly trying to purge any negativity....

Seven, I just like writing points with numbers.

Eight, I had lime jello for dinner tonight.

Nine, I barfed it back up when I saw my DL box sitting on my desk and realized what a piece of shite it is and what losers the people are who released it - sort of like those old time "snake oil" salesmen.

Ten, I wonder if they sleep like babies at night pretending it wasn't the same as stealing.....

Eleven, yada, yada, yada,

Twelve - every idiot who insists on posting anti-complaints is, well, complaining.

Soooo, bite me

J

[Khluzainn]

Nice work rehashing an old post and copying it to this thread. Bad splice though. You didn't really address anything I said, but hey that's not your strong suit so I forgive you. Oh and attempted insults like the cliche "fanboy" argument only show that you have no defense and have resorted to namecalling. Go back to debate 101 and demand they give you the "F" you earned.

[Hickmanj]

Nice work rehashing an old post and copying it to this thread. Bad splice though. You didn't really address anything I said, but hey that's not your strong suit so I forgive you. Oh and attempted insults like the cliche "fanboy" argument only show that you have no defense and have resorted to namecalling. Go back to debate 101 and demand they give you the "F" you earned.


Omg, what witty repartee. Please may we spar some more.

Lol. I wasn't trying to address you, dingus.

And I wasn't attempting to insult you.... just typing what I wanted to type....

Oh, wait, that's what makes you mad.... sorry.

(Heil Khluzainn, mein fuhrer of DL)

J

[Hickmanj]

I am fearful that the problem is more about character and perspective than it is about mental prowess. What I have been hearing "appears" to fall under the category of selfishness and entitlement. In a close knit environment where people in the community want success, there is an attitude of service to help things turn out for the best. When someone says "Its not my job to help" and watches as the ship sinks, it is a sad day in any endeavor and DL is no exception.

I am guilty of being an optimist however, I am burdened with the knowledge of a realist. It takes more than what some people want to give to make a success sometimes. And it is a shame for the "I spent 40 bucks so screw you all" mentality to take hold of anyone who truly appreciates the labor and reward of a high caliber production. Forty-odd bucks is dust in the wind compared to the time, energy, money and personal sacrifice that has gone into the making of Dungeon Lords regardless of its state.



Ah, listen to the violins play in the background.

Hopefully, you will get the same service at the next doctor's visit, or restaurant, or car repair shop.... I mean, they have all sweated blood, time, money to learn, train, and become professionals. So, by your illogic, they can offer substandard crap as services and charge for it.

The issue of character lies with DC and those who support it: they have none. They are corrupt. People with character and integrity don't release ****, they lose the money they invested instead of compounding their failed business venture by ripping hundreds/thousands of people off.

Oh, wait, that's what really happened (er, you said you were a realist didn't you?)

People with real character realize they would have cut their losses and tried again or gotten a job to get out of debt..... your version of life is like the people that spend millions on a drug and then push it on the market even though they know it causes health problems - I mean, people should work with them and not just watch the ship sink.....

Big or small - a lack of ethics is a lack of ethics......

Hope you spend your money with people with the same *character* as the people at DC and HP. You richly deserve it.

J

[Khluzainn]

Nice work rehashing an old post and copying it to this thread. Bad splice though. You didn't really address anything I said, but hey that's not your strong suit so I forgive you. Oh and attempted insults like the cliche "fanboy" argument only show that you have no defense and have resorted to namecalling. Go back to debate 101 and demand they give you the "F" you earned.

[Hickmanj]

Nice work rehashing an old post and copying it to this thread. Bad splice though. You didn't really address anything I said, but hey that's not your strong suit so I forgive you. Oh and attempted insults like the cliche "fanboy" argument only show that you have no defense and have resorted to namecalling. Go back to debate 101 and demand they give you the "F" you earned.


Hm, interesting....

Wait, oh, I see your point now. I mean, you are completely right.

Amazing. You, and DC, are absolutely right. From now on people shouldn't do what they say, they should just get your money and then apologize and pretend to care..... ahhhh, how silly of me not to see the character and ethics in your worldview.

Lol :)

Whatta dork.

[Khluzainn]

I must say I am disappointed by your consistent lack of an argument. I would love to monitor your empty responses all night, but I am sure I can find something less intolerable to occupy my time tonight. I am suppose you will respond again with nothing tangible but I look forward to it nonetheless. Good night Oh great master of the inconsequential.

[Hickmanj]

Fragblub the frazzle?

lol - good luck with those doctors, mechanics, bankers out in life.... hopefully your worldview will come true for you personally :)

J

[Shock]

http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~ml/images/199907xx-Crying.jpg

Khluzainn, if you need some help changing their diapers let me know. They smell kind of rotten. Phew!

[malvado]

Khluzainn and Shock : You are just being a pain in the a$$ at the moment, you'r behaviour does nothing to soothe or pacify those who are upset, instead you just stirr the anthill making people angry and wanting to get you.

Behind the facade of elocuency and formal speech you are just as upset as the people posting on this forum, just think about it. Probably different reasons, but you certainly don't fail to see the games great potential and all that it has failed to bee.

You're also saying that you found spending 40$ on the game as sort of an investment, that's fine, but please do not support the attitude that if somebody feels they're scre*wed they should just shut their mouth and don't complain.

Now that's my good spent five cents :cool:

[POQWAD]

Interesting.

I never realized that I...little ol' me...was a part of the HP/DC team. They NEVER write. They NEVER call. They certainly NEVER send me a paycheck.

All this time, I wallowed under the misconception that I was simply a "consumer" of their product...in this case Dungeon Lords.

Now it seems, from some of the logic I've read on this forum that I must somehow do everything I can to help the poor, tired, overworked staff of HP and DC repair "our" game.

That's a lot of responsibility for a nobody like me. :rolleyes:

[Demonic]

I would love to go through the list of malcontents and habitual whiners on this forum and apply the label of "Absolute Moron" to each and every one of them. Alas, I can't in good conscience do that. It is not about intelligence it would seem, as their words are often cohesive. For the most part they have a grasp of the English language and can elaborate on their observations and ideas.

>> I << would love to sit here all day and point out what a ridiculous hypocritical clown you are, but I actually have other things to do. What, EXACTLY, did you expect from the DL Dev team for the gross display of brown-nosing and sack licking you displayed here? Just curious. And by the way, I think you missed a spot on the Dev team's collective left *** cheek. Take care of that, will you?


I am fearful that the problem is more about character and perspective than it is about mental prowess. What I have been hearing "appears" to fall under the category of selfishness and entitlement. In a close knit environment where people in the community want success, there is an attitude of service to help things turn out for the best. When someone says "Its not my job to help" and watches as the ship sinks, it is a sad day in any endeavor and DL is no exception.

I am fearful that there are more and more weak minded buffoons like you walking around unchecked every year. I have always been a supporter of forced sterillization of retarded couples that intend to mate, sadly, one of you're parents must have slipped through the cracks. Hopefully the proper authorities will catch up with you and you're Life Partner Shock in due time.


I am guilty of being an optimist however, I am burdened with the knowledge of a realist. It takes more than what some people want to give to make a success sometimes. And it is a shame for the "I spent 40 bucks so screw you all" mentality to take hold of anyone who truly appreciates the labor and reward of a high caliber production. Forty-odd bucks is dust in the wind compared to the time, energy, money and personal sacrifice that has gone into the making of Dungeon Lords regardless of its state.

You are guilty of being a complacent, weak-willed chump. Period. WHY should the consumer give a rat's *** about how much "time and energy" was spent on what boils down to ... a total cluster F? Why is that MY problem that they couldn't finish their product before tricking people into buying it?

You're mother must be very, very proud that you are a shill for a company that robs people. /golf clap


I am a fan of putting my money where my beliefs are and I am proud to have spent(or ill-spent as some of you would say) my money on an endeavor worth supporting. Let DL and its staff and those with REAL investment push it as far as it may go before the non-contributors relegate it to the recycle bin.

This pretty much sums up you're mental capabillities right here. You are "proud" to have been swindled. Clown. You seem to think that the DL crew give a crap about you ... passed the $40 they cheated you out of, of course.


As they often say in movies when there is a dying man in the street... "Step back and give him some space!". If you want DL to live, give a bit of space instead of suffocating it with your false entitlement. If you want DL to die, then continue with your current loud-mouth beratement and call your death-mongering what it is.

The DL team had several years to breath life into this steaming pile of loose turds. And as some people say ... "You can't polish a turd." You manage to suck on it pretty well, though. Bravo!


Oh and If this thread gets moved or closed... I won't cry like an infant.

Pax Vobiscum

No, you will just go whine somewhere else with other like minded mental midgets that are too chicken sh!t to stand up for yourselves.

[CroakerJoe]

As I told another that used the "entitlement" nonsense argument... My 40 bucks bought my entitlement. Yes, if I spend my money on a product that I am not satisfied with, especially one which I am unable to return to the store, you can bet your snobbish and verbose @ss that I am entitled to ***** about it.

What a ridiculous argument.

[Shock]

You're also saying that you found spending 40$ on the game as sort of an investment, that's fine, but please do not support the attitude that if somebody feels they're scre*wed they should just shut their mouth and don't complain.


I don't have a problem with people complaining about something but look around. They pop in and out of every thread or they start up brand new threads spreading the same complaint over and over. They know a 1.2 patch is being worked on and will be released when it is done. Instead, they keep going on and on and on about it.

Before all this started, people were complaining because there was no support on the boards and now you probably see why. Once they show up, people start bitching at them about stuff they know is already being fixed. It's assinine.

...or they say how this game "should have been released". Well, no ****. I think that point has been covered over the last month. It's already a done deal, unless you know someone with a time machine where they can go back and fix it before release.

[POQWAD]

blah blah *wheezing breath* more blah blah prattle ...unless you know someone with a time machine where they can go back and fix it before release.


...if we did, bubba, we'd fix you first.

Priorities, you know...

[araczynski]

What I have been hearing "appears" to fall under the category of selfishness and entitlement.

sorry to break it to ya, but that is the underlying fuel/definition of all modern societies that hide under the guise of democracy :)

all companies/politicians/people believe they're entitled to everything at any cost.

[Shock]

...if we did, bubba, we'd fix you first.

Priorities, you know...

Fix yourself. The world doesn't need any of your offspring.

[Makkarune]

Many people say they get really irritated by the complaints -- which I feel are mostly legitimate btw. But I will agree that it does get tiresome to see the same complaints rehashed over and over.

BUT, what really pushes my buttons are people like the OP in this thread. They come in with an above-it-all, superior attitude and insult the "whiners" for being inferior, peppering their insults with lots of name-calling. There is a word for this -- it's called baiting. Very few of the complainers EVER resort to personal attacks against other forum members until they are attacked. I mean which is more childish -- complaining about obvious flaws in a product you purchased or calling other people names?

[Ninthletter]

Well, I've been lurking here for about two weeks now but, I can't anymore. The original poster in this thread, while well spoken, is missing something.

First, while I personally, have very little regard for entitlements per say, there can be no doubt that there is no element of entitlement in any of this. What is going on here is a case of broken trust. People where lied to, plan and simple. They have a good reason to be upset.

Yes, maybe some are going a little over board with their complaints but, when one is lead down the proverbial garden path it stings.

Furthermore, to say that people are acting as if they are entitled to something more than they got, is, in this case, just silly. We have a very clear example here of a company promising A and deliverying B. It's called bait and switch.

How did it happen? Doesn't matter

The bottomline is, consumers where promised far more than the product delivered.

I'm 40 years old and I've been playing computer games for a long time. I can't remember another game that was released and represented as complete, when, in fact, it was this half baked.

Let the whiners whine. They are hurt and feel betrayed, and rightly so.

And remember this. Things that are broken beyond all repair are unforgiveable but, if things that are set right in the end, then, well that's another matter.

P.S. Arguing about weather or not others should argue is silly. Like wise whining about others whining.

[Shock]

"I am upset with this game. I want the 1.2 patch now. Let the people complain. Complaining about people complaining is silly. We should complain about the same thing over and over and over. It really does a lot of good. It makes the patch come out faster. Blah blah blah"

http://lserver.aea14.k12.ia.us/swp/Art/icon.gif/Dork.gif

[Glendrum]

that is the difference between those complaining and those upset at the complainers. Those of us complaining would like nothing better than to see the companies and people responsible to, well basically for them to go bankrupt not because of the crappy game but because of their not saying a **** thing even after we all know what they did. those of you that dont like the complaining are really only wanting us to stop so that the developers will not get all upset and decide to just junk the whole game. I think there is room for all of us. First let them complete the game, AND THEN go bankrupt.... If i thought that they would ever finish it, i would be the first to shut up. But the fact that at some point they will discover that the damage is beyond repair and roll over and die... perhaps you should show them by example shock. :)

[Shock]

Why don't you all carpool to Georgia and shakedown Bradley for some answers. You're not going to get any here.

[Visigoth]

Why don't you all carpool to Georgia and shakedown Bradley for some answers. You're not going to get any here.


YeeeeeHAW!! Bust out the trayler, Mabel! We's a goin' ta Geeawgeea!! :p

[Cleric]

Georgia??, Hmm. I could get there in say, 14 or 15 hours. Maybe a little longer if I stopped to grab a few Z's.


Seriously though, I'd really love to hear Mr. Bradley's honest opinion on the state of the game as it was released.

[ColdAshen]

I dont know about you guys over there, but we get screwed over every day, we are being deceived all the time and people are getting rich for it, the government, Police, insurance companies, lawyers, the media and the rest,the whole lot of them are getting fat off us, and what can I do about it without ending up in jail, whinge is about all.
But in this case there is a place I can go to vent my rage.
I do not mean to insult the people that like this game but I think that you must be easily pleased.
But I also think there are some people who think they are so smart that they will not admit to being screwed.

[dumbass]

I don't purchase as many games as I'd like to. Work, family, life constraints limit my time available. But I grew up with computer games...ever since my dad brought home his first Apple II. Remember those? Every once in a while, I will get an urge for some gaming and go out and purchase a game to feed that jones. At Best Buy I spent some time in the game aisle, looking at all my choices. "Hmmm, dungeon lords," I said, "that looks like it should be pretty fun". Well imagine my surprise when, after a lengthy installation, I went to run it, my screen flashed black then back to the desktop and then.....NOTHING.

I feel stupid and ripped off. As I said, I have been using computers for decades now. I am definitely not an expert in computers, but I know how to get around pretty well. And I've *never* had a problem with a game not working at all. But I feel stupid because, since I have a brand new dell, I just assumed it would work on my computer. How could a slightly above average computer user have any idea that a game would be released that wouldn't support a very common graphics card. I say very common because I've seen my exact problem on many postings. I have an Intel 82845G, which I now am very disappointed to read in the forums is *not* supported by this game.

Perhaps instead of listing system requirements on the box they should say that "this game will not work for all you poor slobs who have an Intel 82845G". But no, I had no clue until I got it home all excited for some fun adventure, but instead got royally screwed. What game designer worth half a piece of crap release a game that doesn't support a fairly common graphics card, and then use arcane (to me) language on the box as its only warning? I got screwed. Fooled. Tricked. Bamboozled.

I'm so disappointed, I don't hardly have the heart to make the return trip to Best Buy to rid myself of this junk. But I don't want to give this company my money. I will never ever ever ever even think of buying a game from this company again.

[Darth Sergeant]

Nice. You should consider doing a blog. The Constitution supports all free thought and expression, even if it means hurting someone else, but intellectual honesty can hurt more. If you do make a blog, hit me up with your site so we can banter about "no Grey areas exist except in perception, which by default is relativistic (sic)"
Darth Sergeant

[Dhruin]

I feel stupid and ripped off. As I said, I have been using computers for decades now. I am definitely not an expert in computers, but I know how to get around pretty well. And I've *never* had a problem with a game not working at all. But I feel stupid because, since I have a brand new dell, I just assumed it would work on my computer. How could a slightly above average computer user have any idea that a game would be released that wouldn't support a very common graphics card. I say very common because I've seen my exact problem on many postings. I have an Intel 82845G, which I now am very disappointed to read in the forums is *not* supported by this game.

Perhaps instead of listing system requirements on the box they should say that "this game will not work for all you poor slobs who have an Intel 82845G".

While I think Dungeon Lords fails on all sorts of levels, it's a little harsh to lay this at HP/DC's feet. While you may have a common video "card", that doesn't mean it was ever intended to run modern games. This is an integrated video solution (not a separate card) designed to minimise the price for those doing non graphically intense tasks such as wordprocessing. It's not HP's fault the equipment you purchased isn't suitable. You'll find a good number of modern games won't work with your system, not just Dungeon Lords.

Dell might be cheap and convenient but it's up to you to know what you are buying. If I sound unsympathetic, that's because I own a "Mom & Pop" computer store and get to deal with foolish consumers who rushed off to buy from Dell rather than getting some good advice on what was appropriate for their needs.

[Cleric]

RE: Dumbass's situation.

Sorry to hear about your problems, but Dhruin is correct in all aspects. Most of the good 3D computer games released over the last 5 years or so have required a seperate 3D Video Card and I can't imagine that changing any time soon. Most computer manufactorers don't include these in their systems because it would increase the cost.

The good news is that your computer is probably set up so that you could install a seperate 3D Video Card if you want. I'd suggest finding your comp. manual, or looking it up online and seeing if you have an AGP or PCI Express slot on your motherboard. If so, you should probably be able to install a 3D card without problems.

You'll have to buy the card though. You probably will have to spend around $125.00 to $150.00 on the card. To get the most bang for your buck, I'd suggest getting an ATI card. A Radeon 9800 or higher should do a good job. Just make sure it's compatable with your M-Board.

Installation's pretty simple, but you might want to take it to a local shop if you've never done that kind of thing. You may have to disable the "on board" video in your system BIOS.

Good Luck!

[Shock]

While I think Dungeon Lords fails on all sorts of levels, it's a little harsh to lay this at HP/DC's feet. While you may have a common video "card", that doesn't mean it was ever intended to run modern games. This is an integrated video solution (not a separate card) designed to minimise the price for those doing non graphically intense tasks such as wordprocessing. It's not HP's fault the equipment you purchased isn't suitable. You'll find a good number of modern games won't work with your system, not just Dungeon Lords.

Dell might be cheap and convenient but it's up to you to know what you are buying. If I sound unsympathetic, that's because I own a "Mom & Pop" computer store and get to deal with foolish consumers who rushed off to buy from Dell rather than getting some good advice on what was appropriate for their needs.

Just because he's using the on-board video doesn't make the Dell computer bad. He was probably uninformed or misinformed about what type of video card he needed. While it would be an extra cost, he could still disable the on-board video in the BIOS and put a better AGP video card in it.

Also, to the guy that feels ripped off, before you buy any new game in the future, check the game website and forums first. People will tell you within the 1st or 2nd day if the game is trash or not. Some Best Buys may even have an internet connection somewhere that you can look it up on. Just Google it.

[Dhruin]

I don't recall saying the Dell was "bad". I said they might be cheap and convenient but the onus is on the purchaser to understand what they are buying.

[Shock]

Yes, but where else is the average to below average computer user supposed to go to get a computer? The above average users just build their own the way they want it.

Your only other option is either paying out the *** for an Alienware or going down to your local Best Buy / Fry's or ordering online and getting a Dell, HP, Compaq, or some other obscure brand. Where else can you get a computer built with quality motherboards, quality peripherals that can be changed out later on, and all at a fairly reasonable price? Alienware is NOT a reasonable price and even Dell does not have reasonable prices on their top quality gaming laptops.

[Jeremy [DC]]

I have quite a bit of experience talking with end-users about computers that do not meet gaming requirements.

The hardest to deal with is when a user has a laptop with an on-board graphics controller and there is hardly a work-around that will help a user even if they have spent alot of money.

If a consumer does not advise a computer sales person they will be using it for high-end graphics, gaming and such, you will find sometimes they will sell you a computer that does what most people buy PC's for... business, word processing, accounting, basic internet browsing and such.

The good news is that most PC's (Desktop Computers) generally have a free PCI or AGP slot and it is a simple matter of visiting your local PC store and you can get a video card for your computer (very rarely does a computer have no slot available for at least some kind of video card)

Video cards range anywhere from $25-$700 depending on which kind of video card you want and the budget you have to work with and the basic minimum requirements of the games you anticipate you will be playing.

At this time you will find alot of games have a minimum requirement of 32-64mb of video ram, recommending 128 video ram and you can usually pick up an average 128mb video card for around $50 or so.

The point where alot of people get confused is that they have an on-board graphics controller, are able to play games through MSN/Yahoo etc and don't understand why they will play and other games will not.

I hope this clears it up for some people...

[Shock]

On-board graphics are going to stink unless the chipset says Radeon or Geforce on it. Anything else is NOT made for quality 3D gaming at all.

[ldonyo]

On-board graphics are going to stink unless the chipset says Radeon or Geforce on it. Anything else is NOT made for quality 3D gaming at all.

That depends on which Radeon or GeForce integrated graphics chip you're referring to. There are low-end ones that still won't cut it in DL. Now, Radeon Mobile 9xxx or GeForce Mobile 6xxx are different stories altogether! ;)

[Shock]

Ok, then please tell me what Radeon or Geforce card that is currently on the market won't run Dungeon Lords. Don't chime in to correct people just to be chiming in. I hate that.

[ldonyo]

Ok, then please tell me what Radeon or Geforce card that is currently on the market won't run Dungeon Lords. Don't chime in to correct people just to be chiming in. I hate that.

I am referring to integrated graphics, oh ye of such a nasty disposition, just as you were. The first Radeon and GeForce embedded graphics chips were from the low end of the totem pole and could not run full DX7 instructions in hardware, although they were still much better than any graphics chip Intel has ever come out with.

However, to answer your question, the original GeForce/GeForce 256 and Radeon 7000/7200 will be very hard pressed to generate a playable gaming experience. Are these current cards? Of course not. Do people still have them in use? Most assuredly.

By the way, I don't care what you hate and I don't "chime in just to be chiming in", unlike someone whose vitrilic posts have, in many instances, served no purpose but to cry, "What he said!" when deriding the developers, the publisher, and the players of this game.

Dungeon Lords has many issues, some quite serious. Of this, we are all aware and almost universally agree. There really is no need to continually harp on this fact just for the sake of harping on this fact. If there is new information to be shared, then, by all means, please share it. Otherwise, there really is no point in making posts just to what your post count rise.

Have a great evening and a wonderful week! :D

[Shock]

I am referring to integrated graphics, oh ye of such a nasty disposition, just as you were. The first Radeon and GeForce embedded graphics chips were from the low end of the totem pole and could not run full DX7 instructions in hardware, although they were still much better than any graphics chip Intel has ever come out with.

However, to answer your question, the original GeForce/GeForce 256 and Radeon 7000/7200 will be very hard pressed to generate a playable gaming experience. Are these current cards? Of course not. Do people still have them in use? Most assuredly.

By the way, I don't care what you hate and I don't "chime in just to be chiming in", unlike someone whose vitrilic posts have, in many instances, served no purpose but to cry, "What he said!" when deriding the developers, the publisher, and the players of this game.

Dungeon Lords has many issues, some quite serious. Of this, we are all aware and almost universally agree. There really is no need to continually harp on this fact just for the sake of harping on this fact. If there is new information to be shared, then, by all means, please share it. Otherwise, there really is no point in making posts just to what your post count rise.

Have a great evening and a wonderful week! :D

Well, Mr. "I must correct everyone or I'll burst":

According to item #8 on this site, several of the cards you listed ARE compatible and meet the requirements: http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/dci/support/pc/specific/dl/dltfaq.php

8. Which video cards will work with Dungeon Lords?
Dungeon Lords requires a DirectX 9 compliant video card with a minimum of 64 MB of onboard RAM. All major series of graphics boards (ATI, NVIDIA, etc.) have been tested to work with the game. Please note that the Intel Extreme Graphics chipsets are NOT currently supported as they do not support Hardware Transform and Lighting. Supported video cards include:

NVIDIA - GeForce 2, 3, 4, FX 5xxx, 6xxx series (All must have 64MB VRAM or better).

ATI Radeon Families - 7000 series, 8000 series, 9000 series, X8nn series. (All must have 64MB VRAM or better).

My advice to you, other than staying out of my face with your future unknowledgeable comments, is to at least do some reference work on your claims before you correct people. In fact, it would probably be worth your while just to mind your own business when you don't know what you are talking about. So, after you blow me, you have a wonderful evening and a great week yourself. :)

[ldonyo]

Well, Mr. "I must correct everyone or I'll burst":

According to item #8 on this site, several of the cards you listed ARE compatible and meet the requirements: http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/dci/support/pc/specific/dl/dltfaq.php

8. Which video cards will work with Dungeon Lords?
Dungeon Lords requires a DirectX 9 compliant video card with a minimum of 64 MB of onboard RAM. All major series of graphics boards (ATI, NVIDIA, etc.) have been tested to work with the game. Please note that the Intel Extreme Graphics chipsets are NOT currently supported as they do not support Hardware Transform and Lighting. Supported video cards include:

NVIDIA - GeForce 2, 3, 4, FX 5xxx, 6xxx series (All must have 64MB VRAM or better).

ATI Radeon Families - 7000 series, 8000 series, 9000 series, X8nn series. (All must have 64MB VRAM or better).

My advice to you, other than staying out of my face with your future unknowledgeable comments, is to at least do some reference work on your claims before you correct people. In fact, it would probably be worth your while just to mind your own business when you don't know what you are talking about. So, after you blow me, you have a wonderful evening and a great week yourself. :)

I'll put my knowledge up against yours any day of the week. I've been in the hardware game for quite a long time and have played computer games for over 25 years. I seriously doubt there is anything dealing with computers and computing you've ever heard of that I haven't.

Take a good, hard look at the memory requirements for the video cards you so ably copied and pasted, then do some research for yourself (you do know how, don't you?) and see just how many older, low-end cards have 64MB of RAM on them.

You seem to be living proof that a tiny bit of knowledge (in your case, the ability to read) can be oh, so dangerous unless properly supervised under tightly controlled conditions.

You can get back to me when you grow up and learn some manners. Until then, you're on the Ignore list.

[Shock]

I'll put my knowledge up against yours any day of the week.

Take a good, hard look at the memory requirements for the video cards you so ably copied and pasted, then do some research for yourself (you do know how, don't you?) and see just how many older, low-end cards have 64MB of RAM on them.




Well, considering that the basic Radeon and Geforce 256 card had 64 megs of memory in it, I would say that you are still incorrect. Unless, you are talking about other brands but I never mentioned other brands now did I? I mentioned Radeon and Geforce.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/v680064/page2.asp

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/radeonpreview/default.asp

Now, don't go away mad. Just go away.

You did put your knowledge up against mine and you lost. Take your loss like a man, not like a little girl. Buh bye and have a nice day. :)

[Shock]

I'll put my knowledge up against yours any day of the week. I've been in the hardware game for quite a long time and have played computer games for over 25 years. I seriously doubt there is anything dealing with computers and computing you've ever heard of that I haven't.

Also, it's actually pretty sad that someone like you who claims to have vast amounts of computer knowledge would not know anything about a video card. Maybe you should spend less of your time trying to impress people and more of your time getting your facts straight.

[ldonyo]

Wrongo. The basic cards had 32MB of RAM and the higher end versions came with 64.

[Shock]

Wrongo. The basic cards had 32MB of RAM and the higher end versions came with 64.

So based on the original post, how many people do you think are still running these low end cards that use this website? You are talking 1% (if that). Of course unless you're one of the ones still stuck in the "gaming ghetto".

Now stop correcting people or you will get owned again.