My Farewell to the Dream that was Dungeon Lords

[freshjuice]

Looks like the forum is now as dead as the sales of this game.

If you're like me, you've giving up on any hope of a completed product in Dungeon Lords. One more patch, one more set of new bugs, one more episode of complete disregard of the more critical bugs. And now, there's SILENCE. No bones or carrots offered for future patches. Why not? Because none are coming. Circle the wagons--it's the end of the trail...

Go ahead and move this to "Off-Topic", DC. Hide it. Maybe people won't notice. Apathy is your ally. Such an action as a thread move would be wholly consistent with your evidenced pathetic philosophy of ignoring problems to the point where you might actually believe they no longer exist.

To all friends: May we meet again in a better, more complete, less bug-infested world. Adieu.

[txa1265]

I have already taken off from the Typhoon forums, only going there once a week ... I still drop by here daily, but that will also change soon.

I will monitor for patches, and will likely run through the game again later this summer ... but it is pretty much done for me - I've played ~7 or so games between PC & DS & PSP since finishing DL ...

Mike

[howard]

That's pretty melodramatic, juicy. It is just a game, you know.


Que the violins :D

[freshjuice]

That's pretty melodramatic, juicy. It is just a game, you know.


Que the violins :D

Thank you :cool:

oh... wait ...that's right, i wasn't supposed to come back here again! :eek:

[charlieboy]

...melodramatic, but most likely true.

It's sad that this game could have been one of the top games...superior to most others in its class. It could have been a game that we could have played for years. This game will be forgotten among the rpgs coming out this Summer and Fall, especially Dungeon Siege II and Oblivion. Multiplayer will be a whole lot more meaningful in DSII.

If some of you never played Ultima IX, then get it. It was horrible when it first came out, but playing it again when the Ultima Online 20th Anniversary Collection came out, it was actually fun...fun enough to finish it. Hmmm....I might actually install it and play it again...that'll give me my fix.

[Fexxx]

Yeah I agree Ultima IX was nasty when it 1st came out but after the 20 or so patches they finally got it off and running. Maybe I will run through it again too if this dont work out.

[Sigarr]

I never made it more than about 15% into the Game when I abandoned it because of all the bugs. Lately I had heard they had patched it to here it was very playable so I searched for the Patches-never found them. If someone could point me to a Site that has ALL the Patches I would appreciate it because,at this point,I need a Decent Game to play. TIA

[Sigarr]

I agree with freshjuice--its all going Downhill from now until they close up Shop.

[Tormented]

well, we all have learned something from this experience, whether I really want to admit it or not. I have learned (and hopefully one or two of you as well) to wait until the game has been out for a little bit before buying it. I bought this game right off the shelf on the day it was out. From now on I'll do a little research before I buy.

[Joelatinous Cube]

I doubt I will be coming here much longer anymore. No reason too. I also learned to read the reviews before buying a game. I'm still unhappy about this but I'll be sure it won't happen to me again, else I will bash my head in with a large rock. Anyways, Good luck to everyone else.

[GeorgeKeith]

I'm near the end of the tenth time through in single player. Can't anyone play a game without multiplay? Having someone tagging along would be too much of a distraction, imo.

Anyhow, what about the Japanese gamer who commited suicide because some game was seemingly unbeatable. Now THAT is pathetic!

[charlieboy]

I'm near the end of the tenth time through in single player. Can't anyone play a game without multiplay? Having someone tagging along would be too much of a distraction, imo.

Anyhow, what about the Japanese gamer who commited suicide because some game was seemingly unbeatable. Now THAT is pathetic!


Honestly, a game is always fun when played over the LAN with my wife.

I can't play the game in singleplay...lol...with countless others, so multiplay is out of the question.

Suicide? LOL...No...DC is just on my blacklist. I don't care if I won't hurt the company because I'm one person...I'm one person who won't purchase another DC game.

[BlackWolf]

I have enjoyed the game. I have to admit that. What I bought and what I received when I got this game is 2 way different things. Whoever had the final decision to put this game out so buggy out to be fired. I also believe we should hear more often from the dev team as to what their intentions are. Are we getting another patch? Or are they all done. Do they try to right what has been done wrong? Maybe they should start a sticky that is just for posts from the devs to let us know where they are with this game. Hopefully they would post at least 3 or 4 times a month. Just an idea.

[txa1265]

DC is just on my blacklist. I don't care if I won't hurt the company because I'm one person...I'm one person who won't purchase another DC game.
Well, they just picked up the next cool Euro-RPG - Metal Heart ... so we'll see how many 'I wanna new RPG' people will stick by their 'never again, DC' pledges ...

The reason any of this means anything is just because it is sad ... I still hang around forums and replay games I love from years ago - back to Dark Forces, which I still play at leasst once a year.

Mike

[Demonic]

That's pretty melodramatic, juicy. It is just a game, you know.


Que the violins :D

What's ... what's that SOUND?

*Queue the sounds of Howard's lips feverantly smooching DC butt cheek*

[txa1265]

I'm near the end of the tenth time through in single player. Can't anyone play a game without multiplay? Having someone tagging along would be too much of a distraction, imo.
Isn't multiplay when you play the game multiple times :D

Seriously, I'm single player focused, only tried MP in DL for a while ... never really succeeded. Since I review games, I need to be able to play MP as well as SP on games that offer it. Games like Pariah and Project: Snowblind, you just click-n-go in MP. Stuff like Dungeon Lords & Restricted Area seem like they want you *not* to play.

Mike

[howard]

That's kind of lame, Demonic.

If you've read any of my previous post, you'll see that I'm not a DC sycophant like some others on these boards. I'm upset about the missing features and lack of communication, but I don't feel the need to whine about it in every post, bash the developers, or start flame wars.

[Fexxx]

Yeah! howard aint gotta bash in every post he posts......but I do!


DC has to be the worst game makers on the map.......I feel sorry for not only the ppl that went out and got the game but for the ppl that gave them money so they could make this hunk of Sh..............*edit* Crap.

[Sigarr]

DL Ranks as the Worst Game I have had on My HD in the Past 15 Years. I played several Dozen Games of this Ilk back in the 80's which were much better done,had better Dungons,better Mazes,Puzzles,Traps etc,etc, and were Completed and Finished Games.DL MIGHT have fared better IF all those things that Bradley Promised in all those Interviews He gave had been incorporated into the Game-But they wern't! So I will never know.

As an Aside: this Friend of mine that has relatives in Atlanta and His Brother had gone by HP's Office several weeks ago on a Saturday and found their Office Dark ( well it was a SATURDAY and it was possible HP had taken a Day off or whatever) I asked again If he could get his Brother to go by which his Brother did yesterday ( Friday) at 11:00 AM and the office was STILL Dark. His Brother decided to call the leasing Agency for that Bldg. and was told that Space Would be Available for lease Sept.1,2005. Obviously,Bradley did Not Renew his lease. This Leaves 3 possibilities: 1.Bradley moved into A smaller & Cheaper Office. 2.Bradley is working out of His home--Possibly Chukk22 doing the Same. 3. Bradley has filed for Bankruptcy.
Whichever it may be I suppose it is all MOOT at this Point anyway. DL is "FINISHED" and,in all likelihood,so is Bradley.

[POQWAD]

Camera Pans Slowly Across A Bleak, Fog-shrouded Gravesite Obviously Long In Dis-repair.

Key On One Of The Crooked, Leaning Gravestones...pulling Closer We Read...

dungeon Lords

2005--2005

The Epitaph Reads: dead Puppy

Key Evocative, Sad Violin Solo...

...and Fade To Black...


---the End---

[Baron Waste]

Karthik@KANE suggested I look in on the Dungeon Lords forum -- now I see why. My area of expertise is Iron Storm, a wonderful but somewhat troubled game that used to have its own forum, a busy and active forum that ran day and night since its inception in 2002... until DC suddenly decided that Iron Storm is Old News, and dumped it into the "Other Games" limbo -- where Dungeon Lords is obviously heading also.

On the one hand, Dreamcatcher is only a support company; they don't create these games. On the other... they don't seem to care much, either. The games are buggy, c'est la vie. Players want support, feh.

So sales have slumped? There's always another new title to market. It'll be buggy too, and the players can whistle for all the help they'll get, but, c'est la vie. Next!

[Arius]

Maybe some will call me insane or stupid...
But I don't think that this game is bad... Not bad at all!
It's sure that there is some bugs, errors, missing files...
But I have played worst games in the last 2 years...
If you don't agry with me, it's your choice, but I have my own opinion.
If I would give a game that is looking like this one, I would give Fable.
(I think that I will hear some scream...)
Same type of controls, same graphics quality(even if its not the same graphics). A bit of links in the story...
I even think that some things in DL is better than Fable (In Fable, you can wear all armors and weapons with the minimum of strength)

The bad sides I have heard about, and played, are always the sames: Bugs, incompleted game, Not enought NPCs, Useless skills...
But there is 2 things that all don't think about:

1-The major raison why all saw so many bugs and incompleted things is that THEY have forced DC to put this game too fast in the stores... They didn't wanted to wait another 1.5 year... So it went incompleted... The major bugs could have been repaired, but not all in time... (That what buisness is about in video games: Put the games in stores when CUSTOMERS want them!) I don't tell that it's the fault of everyone here, but its the global customers faults.(Why do you think that there is a lot who write similar things like "I have waited so long for this game, but I was f***ed since it was ****". This is their fault that some games are junks!

2-If you bought it, don't screw it like junk! I never buy a game without knowing what it is... If you read this post and you dislike DL, it mean you have access to Internet and that mean that you are the one who f***ed yourself, not DC! If you think that I am a nuts who don't have a life, it's your choice, but you can't say that I am wrong! If you bought this game because the store's man told you it was good, good for you that you felt in his tricks! Don't act before thinking, but think before acting: It's a fondamental state in the nature itself! Buying something because of its mystery is like accepting a candy from a suspecious man... In other word: STUPID!

I had another thing on it but I have forgotten it since I took some times to write all this post... :o

[Spellcast]

Arius, while I myself am enjoying DL despite its bugs, you apparently have no concept of marketing and game publsihing, as evidenced by your point #1

""The major raison why all saw so many bugs and incompleted things is that THEY have forced DC to put this game too fast in the stores... ""

most of the times it is the developer that is asking for more time, and the publisher that wants to release early. Dreamcatcher is the PUBLISHER. they provide the money and the marketing.

Now i am personally unsure of what happend in this case, but i highly doubt that D.W. Bradley and Heuristic park wanted this game released in the state it is in. as the developers thier time and effort have gone into this game.

Your point #2 is accurate, if rathar poorly phrased. I puchased the game with no knowledge of what was in it because it was kind of a whim. I had a lan party planned for the next few days and was walking past it in wallyworld, it said it supported multiplayer (which it does to a point, even if poorly) so i picked it up as we needed a new RPG for the lan party. All in all i was not overly impressed, but its not too bad.
Regardless, most games i buy i do research online, and mostly i avoid the really bad ones.

[malvado]

Any of you who have some programming skills should just have a look at the engine of this game, it's ugly and very hard to work with , just from the patches one could come to the conclusion of :

*Even though the artwork for appareance was finished, HP was not able to include this in roughly 3 months of patching, this is either because the file system couldn't handle deviations or because they just had other "more pressing" matters to fix.

*Auto-Map took 3 months to include in the game, something which should have been there by release judging from the game notes, again this looks like it is very time consuming and hard to implement anything to the engine even though it sports the function back in W&W.

*Arindale Inn + other buildings : were left as is, if they just had forgotten to add furniture or it was an issue of corrupted build that should have been a fairly fast fix, just like 1-2 days of work adding furniture, but since all "mapping" has to be done by hand it is too time consuming and hence not implemented since it would lead to a rewrite of a lot of code.

*Take the DL folder and compare those files to todays games and you will see how new games are a lot more organized than DL, newer games like D3 tends to mesh many smaler files into one for optimized performance (makes sense having to read 1 file instead of reading 100's of files from 20 different folders).

*The game engine files are in essence modifications of an 6 years old engine, and thats where the root of the problems are, just too old and to patched to do its job properly. A friend of mine told me that it is often better to start a new code instead of doing a patchwork of patches to get new things to work.

*Finally no news if there are gonna be a update or not, which leads me to believe that these koksockers are gonna try to cash in on an expansion.

[Shock]

*Finally no news if there are gonna be a update or not, which leads me to believe that these koksockers are gonna try to cash in on an expansion.

An expansion for a crap game? I wish them luck with that.

Do you know how long it will take HP to make an expansion? At least 2 or 3 years at their slow-azzed progress rate.

[txa1265]

*Take the DL folder and compare those files to todays games and you will see how new games are a lot more organized than DL, newer games like D3 tends to mesh many smaler files into one for optimized performance (makes sense having to read 1 file instead of reading 100's of files from 20 different folders).
That dismayed me when installing the demo, but I assumed that since it was beta-quality, it was likely just not wrapped up and compressed. Then I got Wizards & Warriors, which was the same thing - install takes forever because of the amount of files. So I wasn't really surprised when DL 'final' was again the same. I think it is an inefficient design.


*Finally no news if there are gonna be a update or not, which leads me to believe that these koksockers are gonna try to cash in on an expansion.That I don't buy ... I can't see anyone financing that, I just think that there are very few resources available, and with DC just taking on the upcoming Metalheart game, they are probably strained to deal with the DL stuff.

Mike

[malvado]

That I don't buy ... I can't see anyone financing that, I just think that there are very few resources available, and with DC just taking on the upcoming Metalheart game, they are probably strained to deal with the DL stuff.

Mike

Just forget my last comment, just quite upset about how things are turning out, not because of the game but because of D.W Bradley who should have known better.
I have been hoping for rumors about an release of the game editor but as you know ... Nothing.

[Arius]

By the way, the mini-map problem isn't a problem at all... I didn't even had to have the patch1.3 to have a map...

C:\Program Files\Dreamcatcher\Dungeon Lords\maps

All map file should be there... but there is only "FargroveMAP00" and the 3 files for the sub scripted location of your char, and quests... By searching on the web, you can easily find a map, name it the good name and, even if the dots aren't right, it can be good for those who don't want to exit DL to see the map...

[Aragognth]

Looks like the forum is now as dead as the sales of this game.

If you're like me, you've giving up on any hope of a completed product in Dungeon Lords. One more patch, one more set of new bugs, one more episode of complete disregard of the more critical bugs. And now, there's SILENCE. No bones or carrots offered for future patches. Why not? Because none are coming. Circle the wagons--it's the end of the trail...

Go ahead and move this to "Off-Topic", DC. Hide it. Maybe people won't notice. Apathy is your ally. Such an action as a thread move would be wholly consistent with your evidenced pathetic philosophy of ignoring problems to the point where you might actually believe they no longer exist.

To all friends: May we meet again in a better, more complete, less bug-infested world. Adieu.

Amen, this game sucks give all registered users their money back you tricked an audience of teens/children/gamers that critisize very freely now shut down this crap and stop tryn to best Harry Potter cause dl can't hold a candle to harry potter

[mollly_red]

lol why should they try to beat harry potter (and i mean beat not best you little spamming idiot!) i mean the harry potter games are just crap for 6yo nothing more.well i really liked the movies and the books but the games are crap,but seem to sell well sigh.