The Town: 5 Star Challenge!!!

[caymanlou]

I'm trying for the 5 star challenge in Nightmare mode in the Town Level, but I have not been able to find any Holy Items and only managed to find the health secret on the ledge at the begining of this level. Is there a movie out there that shows all of these? Or can anyone just tell me how and where to find them, Thanks. I was on The Hall of Pain's site and one of his movies used some sort of ghost/no clip cheat to pass through walls to search for things. Is there a ghost/no clip cheat mod for Painkiller and how do I find it, Thanks again.

[Artas1984]

I'm trying for the 5 star challenge in Nightmare mode in the Town Level, but I have not been able to find any Holy Items and only managed to find the health secret on the ledge at the begining of this level. Is there a movie out there that shows all of these? Or can anyone just tell me how and where to find them, Thanks. I was on The Hall of Pain's site and one of his movies used some sort of ghost/no clip cheat to pass through walls to search for things. Is there a ghost/no clip cheat mod for Painkiller and how do I find it, Thanks again.

What? ARE YOU ACCUSING YOURSELF OUT OF THE SITUATION?
I have not heard of such cheat or mode, and even if there is, i strongly recommend to all senior and other members not to show it!!!
I think you should get the secrets yourself, i will tell you a hint though: check all the burning places without windows and empty holes. ALL THE SECRETS ARE LOCATED NOT IN THE FIRST FLOOR!
1) You can use carts to get there.
2) You can "painkiller" carts to get there, if you know this technique.
3) If you are a hardcore one, you can check thread "more videos from Cyody" and you will bee fascinated.
Can not tell you more.

[kalme]

I also recommend finding all secrets yourself without any cheating to not spoil the fun of the game. But if you're really, really desperate :D

1.) http://www.painkillerhell.com (videos of all secrets in Painkiller)
2.) My site (http://www.kalme.de/painkiller) with videos of all secrets in BooH and Powermad, a cheat script which contains a noclip command (pmnoclip).

[Artas1984]

I also recommend finding all secrets yourself without any cheating to not spoil the fun of the game. But if you're really, really desperate :D

1.) http://www.painkillerhell.com (videos of all secrets in Painkiller)
2.) My site (http://www.kalme.de/painkiller) with videos of all secrets in BooH and Powermad, a cheat script which contains a noclip command (pmnoclip).

NO!
You should not have told that!
Though why do i care? I've got all the secrets so i don't, but if you would have said that 2 months ago, it would not be any fun to discover the opera floor secret.
You have just unlieshed the biggest cheating mode in the history of painkiller, lol!

[spyware]

hehe I think it was out 1 1/2 years ago lol

[Varus77]

I was on The Hall of Pain's site and one of his movies used some sort of ghost/no clip cheat to pass through walls to search for things. Is there a ghost/no clip cheat mod for Painkiller and how do I find it, Thanks again.

Which movie do you mean where I've used this stuff?
"Helicopter in H3ll"?

[kalme]

Harhar... me evil ya know? :P

[fleabay]

Dang kalme, you just ruined the game for me.

Painkiller is crying.

[T'krau]

NO!
...You have just unlieshed the biggest cheating mode in the history of painkiller, lol!
Good Lord, man - decaf! Think of the children! :D

[caymanlou]

Which movie do you mean where I've used this stuff?
"Helicopter in H3ll"?
The movie I saw on your site was about the armor on the snowy bridge. It used some kind of cheat command to let you pass through walls. Like a "ghost" or "fly" or "noclip" cheat. I was just wondering how you did that? I don't cheat when I'm playing. I do like those kinds of cheats to use to get to parts of the game I'm not normally able to and look around. When I'm done, I load my last saved game and play as normal! Thanks, Caymanlou!

[caymanlou]

I also recommend finding all secrets yourself without any cheating to not spoil the fun of the game. But if you're really, really desperate :D

1.) http://www.painkillerhell.com (videos of all secrets in Painkiller)
2.) My site (http://www.kalme.de/painkiller) with videos of all secrets in BooH and Powermad, a cheat script which contains a noclip command (pmnoclip).
Thanks for the help! I only use cheats when I'm really stuck in a game or to view areas that are not usually accessible in normal mode. I'll look around a bit and when I'm done, I'll load a saved game and play as normal. Playing with cheats takes too much fun out of the game! I wish Artas1984 understood that! :D

[caymanlou]

What? ARE YOU ACCUSING YOURSELF OUT OF THE SITUATION?
I have not heard of such cheat or mode, and even if there is, i strongly recommend to all senior and other members not to show it!!!
I think you should get the secrets yourself, i will tell you a hint though: check all the burning places without windows and empty holes. ALL THE SECRETS ARE LOCATED NOT IN THE FIRST FLOOR!
1) You can use carts to get there.
2) You can "painkiller" carts to get there, if you know this technique.
3) If you are a hardcore one, you can check thread "more videos from Cyody" and you will bee fascinated.
Can not tell you more.
First of all. "ACCUSING" MYSELF OUT OF THE SITUATION? What is that? If you mean "EXCUSING" you are still wrong! I only use cheats when I'm stuck or to have a look around in areas that are inaccessible. PERIOD! When I'm done, I load a saved game and play normally! Maybe someday you will be granted wisdom and you will understand these things, but obviously not today! An APOLOGY for urging other members to not show me cheat modes would be nice! :p

[Artas1984]

First of all. "ACCUSING" MYSELF OUT OF THE SITUATION? What is that? If you mean "EXCUSING" you are still wrong!

No no no, you should understand so: you are not excusing, you are accusing, blaiming, prosecuting, indicting, charging yourself with that you are not able to get the secrets, and by this you have asked for cheats. My english was good, maby my language speaking habit is strange to you, cause i am not an english man, but it is you, who should have the wisdom to understand what i wanted to say by my first sentence, dude. I don't need the wisdom to understand your gaming needs, lol, for i don't give a ****, they are "alien" to me.
I am not accusing you right now, you may do whatever you want, i is just my opinion that there should not be such modes like "fly"

[spyware]

Ok drop it. As long as you don't cheat at mp it don't matter.











**REWARD**
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[T'krau]

It could also be said that some of us (me, for example) use something like Powermad AFTER we've cleaned the level a couple times.

[Artas1984]

It is just a hint for 5 stars in general to continue.


...a voice from the darkness.....

Artas, just one question: if the "5-Stars Challenge" is "stupid and easy" as You called (without completing it even once) then why don't You play like me, so why don't You always "5-Starring" every levels?



Actually, yes, i never went through all of the levels so, that all of them would be 5 starred, at least several i've left with objects or ammo, when playing from beginning till the end, but i experienced that i can not leave the secrets.. :)
And sometimes i am starring the whole thing, but when you don't know where the last destroyable objects are located, you don't have the patience to search.


...a voice from the darkness.....

I'm really laughing on "5-Starring" the maps, but I'm doing it, You know. And I'm laughing, because it's already "stupid and easy" for me (but this is subjective), and I know what I'm talking about. But if it's not a big deal for You, then why don't You do it just for fun/completeness/etc.? :) Then You could laugh on it, like I'm doing. The "5-Star"-thingy is just a standard for me: I simply can't leave anything on the map. And once I know a map - and that's what "5-Star Challenge" is partly about: learning the map and never having trouble -, I don't really need extra time. You know, I like to leave completely empty places after me... :p Do You understand? :) It's not easy to explain, but I like perfect score. It's a "paranoia", a "mania", a maximalism, and so on.



I do, but get the situation about armor: you have more than 150 golden in the end, and you see that you still have to get the bronze and silver, so what do you do then? Do you hurt yourself?
And about ammo: yes, even when you have a full weapon loaded with it and you see more ammo, than you just shoot in the air to get those last ones to fill up? It's kind'a...funy man, but since all others are doing it, i can not say that stupid, don't want to insult them


...a voice from the darkness.....

Your opinion is right for several maps though, but it's wrong for many others. I know it, since I've done it already.



I would like to know which maps do you find "lackey" out of ammo?
Some of them are, but just in the exact situations, not in the whole map.
Now, that i've got fixes, i will do it in 5 stars, though you know - just one time, as you say..to paste a footprince :)

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Artas, You answered many of Your questions in Your post, but let's start from the beginning... :)

Indeed, this maddness started in me too with just collecting all Secrets and Holy Items. Earlier I wasn't interested in "5-Starring" the whole level, but it was always fun to get more and more and later all of the Secrets, during a completion. After Secrets weren't a problem for me at all (since I always got them, I practiced them too much), I started to complete levels really completely. You're right in general (even if there are exceptions) about the Secrets and Holy Items are the hard point, and the rest is usually easy. Therfore, when I got my 2 or 3 Stars, it wasn't hard for me to expand it to 5, for having a perfect score. Again, I just like perfect score, it shows nice in the Statistics. BTW, one more thing about You can't call "5-Star Challenge" easy and stupid: the Secrets and Holys are part of it, and if You say the "5-Star Challenge" is stupid, then You state them about the whole game actually, since even getting all Secrets are part of the challenge. Originally I started "5-Star Challenge", because it has an official reward after You've done it, and about one more thing: I like exploring and searching for things - I think, this attitude came from my other game (TR)... :)

About armors: yes, obviously You can hurt Yourself. That's not a big deal on Nightmare and Trauma, but it's a real nightmare on DayDream! :D So, maybe You know how armors work: You can collect the same again (so a bronze, a silver, or a gold), if You already "wasted" one point of it somewhere. For example, if You have a 199 Gold Armor, then You can pick up a new one with no problem. But Your ways is easier if You pick up armors in a more clever way: for example, at the end of "Snowy Bridge", You can pick up the bronze one first, and then the silver one... These things are just part of the game, if You play like that...

About ammos: yes again, but don't think it's "funny" or painful. I already got use to it: shooting once or twice from the ShotGun takes only a very few seconds, and then I collected every shells around me. It's just part of the game again... But have You thought about that this can help You in learning the map better? If I'm getting into trouble, because I wasted too much ammo, I always know where to get the next ammos into my weapons to fill them up... I'm collecting ammos as I'm progressing anyway, so it's not painful me at all. I just simply don't leave that poor ShotGun-shell alone, if I just had to shoot once to pick it up - no pain in that at all... :)

Objects are the most hateful part from me: believe or not, I hate collecting all objects than collecting all Secrets. Because of that pathetic bug, You know. And I always do search the whole levelfor the last object, and if I can't find it, what do You think I do? Well, I finish the level with 4 Stars only, but then I reselect it from the map again, and then I'll do it with perfect score. Am I crazy?! LOL! But this is no pain for me again, since I can't get enough of any level... :D So if I have to play "Snowy Bridge" twice, then it's not a problem at all: awesome atmosphere, nice fightings, and practice makes perfect... :)

You know, all these things aren't painful for me at all: I love the atmosphere of the levels, and I like to walking around them and exploring, and feeling their spirits during that time. I love the night sky of "Babel", the sounds of the coyotes from the desert, the dark ruins and the lightning too. The whole overall..and it's no pain for me to collect everything during my adventuring through the whole map... :) If I don't play for 5-Stars, I finish with the places too early, but I don't want that. I don't want to leave those places so early! I want to feel the essence of them and the whole game, the whole overall. I must admit, I've just learned from 5-Starring the maps, and I can say that from many aspects. And again, I don't need long times at all to finish any of the levels with a perfect score. I simply got use to that I always play for 5-Stars. And if I play for that always, then why the heck I should play in a "lesser" level then? That's my own playstyle, and even if it sounds stupid, I like to play like that... :)

The "lackey" out of ammos... Er, how do You mean that? But if I get it right, I must say, it depends. Sometimes it's painful to get all the ammos: on "Ruins" and "Tower" for example. Sometimes it's odd that You're missing one, but You also have just a low HP, and You still want to do that, what is not easy, because You have to backtrack through some dangerous parts of the level ("Colloseum"?). And sometimes You just simply needs more ammos into Your weapons... There are many fun with the ammos: once You'll start the "5-Star Challenge", You'll understand what I mean here... This playstyle really needs "openmindedness" (copyright by Andrew Poznanski), just like PainKiller itself... :)

Finally, sorry if I was a bit radical/harsh yesterday, but again, that's my own style and how I play, and I never criticize how others play (even if I could do it: "ah, You don't play for perfect score, that's so stupid" :D), never. I never suggested anyone to play for "5-Stars". Everyone plays like how he like it, and I respect it. I'd never call anyone's playstyle as "stupid" or "too easy". Do You understand me? I was a bit overreacted Your words in myself yesterday, so sorry about that. I must admit that I wanted to play MP with Peti, but we couldn't, because of some kind of a network-error at my side (I was constantly getting 255 ping everywhere)..and I was a bit frustrated... :)

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Gosh, my edit-period has been expired: I wanted to add a few sentences into the last post, and sorry about the typos and not corrected grammar-bugs too... :) In the next post then... :)

[Artas1984]

First of all it was i who was kind'a rude here by decreasig the value of getting stars, since i have not done it.
So i apologize to all those who are making the 5 stars.
I agree that everyone may choose it's own way to play and to finish, the thing i voted is that maby instaed of objects or ammo maby souls would be the challenge to acquire the prize, think - it would be dammed fuc*ing hard to get all the souls, and in some levels it would be impossible, but since soul catcher is, it could be possible, what do you think, how about finishing the levels with all consumed souls with catcher? I doubt it would be possible without catcher.
I would not vote for geting all the gold, that would be impossible.
Sure - kill all monsters, what could be easyer?


...a voice from the darkness.....

Originally I started "5-Star Challenge", because it has an official reward after You've done it, and about one more thing: I like exploring and searching for things - I think, this attitude came from my other game (TR)... :)




What reward? A bonus or something?


...a voice from the darkness.....

For example, if You have a 199 Gold Armor, then You can pick up a new one with no problem. But Your ways is easier if You pick up armors in a more clever way: for example, at the end of "Snowy Bridge", You can pick up the bronze one first, and then the silver one... These things are just part of the game, if You play like that...



Hm, pick up on 199, maby on 100 but i doubt than on more than 120, what are you saying SYS? He, confused something? So that means also that in the end of Bridge you have to get hurt yourself to get last armor if you play good with golden one.


...a voice from the darkness.....

About ammos: yes again, but don't think it's "funny" or painful. I already got use to it: shooting once or twice from the ShotGun takes only a very few seconds, and then I collected every shells around me. It's just part of the game again... But have You thought about that this can help You in learning the map better?



Yes it can, especially in ruins and enclave, but searching ammo in ruins really suck, and i am not getting words back about that, i only pick up ammo in the left corner - chaingun to meet Guardian's hammer and shotgun to finish him.


...a voice from the darkness.....

So if I have to play "Snowy Bridge" twice, then it's not a problem at all: awesome atmosphere, nice fightings, and practice makes perfect... :)



Thumbs up, lol, though i don't waste my time on objects, but i really, really, really really enjoy searching such huge maps like snowy one, especially the last time i have played bridge (3 weeks ago), i have discovered that i could get on those bix boxes, and it was so fun to be higher than those ninjas and ancient China warriors.


...a voice from the darkness.....

The "lackey" out of ammos...



that should read: lack


...a voice from the darkness.....

Finally, sorry if I was a bit radical/harsh yesterday, but again, that's my own style and how I play, and I never criticize how others play (even if I could do it: "ah, You don't play for perfect score, that's so stupid" :D), never. I never suggested anyone to play for "5-Stars". Everyone plays like how he like it, and I respect it. I'd never call anyone's playstyle as "stupid" or "too easy". Do You understand me? I was a bit overreacted Your words in myself yesterday, so sorry about that. I must admit that I wanted to play MP with Peti, but we couldn't, because of some kind of a network-error at my side (I was constantly getting 255 ping everywhere)..and I was a bit frustrated... :)



I understand you well SYS, i guess we should feel respected and understood, since who would else care about challenges and other..a you know, you are the iniciator of "rolls".

And now a general main question to you - do you always play 5 stars on trauma? Mean do you like Trauma? I for one don't like it: no souls spoils the essence of painkiller, and that's not my opinion, i would find it strange if anyone would disagree, cause man - souls are what makes painkiller a different game instead of all others those **** my off.
No autosaves - imagine a failed jump on catacombs vines, so what then, again?
Besides, if you would choose Nightmare for 5 stars, imagine the 5 starring in docks - very nice jumping level.
Do you participate in Necro beating time and cemetery beating?
Tomorrow i will try Necro, though you know - without cheats and cards in less that 2, hm, i wonder how he got 1:31? See ya.

[MacheteLover]

I completed the 5-star challenge in the basic PK levels. I love exploring the level after clearing it. That's the best time for it because you can hurt yourself to get the armor without being in too much danger, you can waste ammo to pick up leftover ammo boxes, and you can try to find that last object by lobbing explosives all over the place.

This is why I never liked the Docks level, because you can't backtrack.

The 5-star challenge is a scavenger hunt. That's the fun, if you like scavenger hunts. Finding that elusive object or ammo, in some dark corner or hard to reach location. And when you know a level well enough to have 5-starred it, you can say you Really know the level.

[Maiden_Canada]

Town is my favorite level, but before I did a five star on it , I went into the editor and added heat warp effects and pain zones on >some< of the fires, and I also bumped into some secret parts, so I guess I cheated, LOL.

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Artas, sorry for the laggy reply - it's definitely time to answer at last... :)

So, first of all, no-no, You weren't "rude" and suck like at all. You just shared Your opinion about the "5-Stars Challenge". However I'm always a bit sensitive of it, since that's really my obsession, and therefore I overreacted it a bit... :)

You know, in the end of last year Peti and Doomer (They're my other Hungarian PK-Fellows) and me were doing a soul- and a gold-challenge too: so getting all souls and getting all golds. We used cards though, and the reward of the "5-Star Challenge". The gold-challenge was quite tedious (gold coins often fall through the ground) and we didn't think about getting jewels from the enemies (like Frag did earlier). So we stopped it. But the soul-challenge was interesting and it held challenges too: therefore I include those "Get his Soul!"-parts in my E1 and E2-videos (do You remember those ninjas in the distance in "Snowy Bridge"? or therefore was that "Babel"-example in the E2-video). The soul-challenge was completable (is that a word?) on most places: it was a fair challenge, since sometimes it wasn't hard, but sometimes it was almost getting tedious, LOL. But unfortunately, we couldn't complete it on "Train Station" for example: there was a bug after the 2nd CheckPoint, You know, where You first get the RocketLauncher. Soon after You enter the area, check the kill-counter: it will start increasing..and finally, 5 monster will die somewhere without leaving souls, even if You don't shoot a single bullet. We couldn't trick out that bug... But let's see "City On Water": that was tough with the soul-challenge - You surely know why... ;)

The reward for the "5-Star Challenge"... Er, should I spoil it to You? I'll do it, if You want, but that will be a surprise when You done the challenge Yourself. That reward makes You a "god" in the Purgatory, anyway... ;) It holds many new potentials of fun-playing, I think..I remember, I used it for a long time, just for fun... :) If You want to know what's the reward, then I'll tell it to You in a PM... When I started completing the "5-Star Challenge", I knew what will be the reward: I found that very interesting, but I rather started it because I felt that I still didn't get enough from the game... :D

About armours... I was speaking about the same types of armors. So let's talk about Gold Armors now. Let's say You picked up a gold armor and You got hurt soon after that: let's say it's now just a 199. Then You can pick up another gold armor with no problem. You knew that very well already, that's sure... You know, "Dead City" for example, from BOOH... There's a gold armor in Secret #2, but the next fighting-area also contains a gold armor..but that usually isn't a problem, since just a little hurt is enough, and You can pick up the new gold armor... And yes, I usually must get hurt myself at the end of "Snowy Bridge", but that's not a real problem: a few grenades do it very well (but just carefully of course, especially on Trauma)... :)

Even "Enclave" is very hard, if You want to collect all ammos: Necro' can hurt You badly on Nightmare and Trauma, and the center-area is very-very dangerous. But for example, "Swamp" is very easy: you can collect all ammo in just a few seconds, and then You just have to kick Swampy's butt...

Lack of ammos... Huh, I mostly have to waste ammos from the StakeGun and the ShotGun, just for picking up a new ammo-box... :D But of course that's true that mostly there are more than enough ammos into Your weapons..I know it. Maybe there aren't any levels if we're analysing them from the "lack of ammos" aspect. There may be only situations: for example, when You use a weapon too much. I think I already got use to it (fireing for picking up a new ammo-box), so it's not tedious for me to pick up every ammo on any maps. As I mentioned, I always pick up everything, as I'm progressing, and if I have let's say 100 ShotGun ammos in my ShotGun already, then I just shoot a few times with the ShotGun to pick up the new boxes. Anyway, I never let any weapon to be fully filled up: so if my ShotGun reaches 100, I always shoot at least once with it, even if there aren't any new ammos near me... I don't know, these things are just come "from rutin", when I'm playing..so that doesn't disturb me at all... :D

Trauma-difficulty... Yes, I play for 5-Stars, even on Trauma. Sometimes I use up cards and the reward of the "5-Star Challenge": but only when I'm lazy or when I don't have much time to play. But I usually complete the game without using the Black Tarot. I must admit, both PK and BOOH can be 5-Starred with no cards at all (all levels in a row)... But You need patience, skills, luck (I personally don't believe in luck though), and time for that... And You must know the safest ways for getting the Secrets, of course... Yes, I like Trauma: 50% more damage (You're not allowed to make mistakes), and even the "no souls" makes it more challenging than Nightmare. I call Trauma a "fair challenge", while Nightmare isn't that for me, since You can heal Daniel with picking up souls, and I often finish the levels above 250 HP on Nightmare (what is just too much, LOL)... But I like the Demon Morph Mode of course, so maybe that's the only thing, what I'm missing from Trauma (the Demon Morph card helped earlier in BOOH though, but usually I don't use cards). Oh, the AutoSaves only: I like them. I said earlier that I like when someone solves situations rather with his skills than his luck. It's not a big deal in my book to reload the game 500 times to finish a challenge. But with limited saves..that's nice, I like it! :) And yes, the vines-Secret..that's one of the most hateful Secrets in PK, LOL! But I usually can do it with just a few reloadings (I always use that way what I showed in the E2-video). You know, earlier I thought that most of the Secrets would be just too tedious or even "impossible" (I don't know this word either) on Trauma. But today I must say I was wrong: almost all of them can be accessed relatively easily and quickly, and even safely. Let's see the 1st Secret of "Forest"... You can take the CheckPoint first, if You're a good fighter, and then You can go for the Secret. But You also can take the 1st CheckPoint, if You know a safer way for the 1st Secret. Actually, the safer way is how Cyody accesses that Secret (maybe You saw His video): You almost can't get hurt Daniel with that method...

Nightmare and "5-Stars"... Indeed, "Docks" is very tough from the "5-Stars Challenge" aspect, however..looky at this (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/PK_C05E02_5-Starred.jpg) (with no cards, of course) - everything is possible... :) Nightmare is much easier, since You can QuickSave Your game anytime You want. I haven't tried the 5th Chapter with Kalme's difficulty-mod (what makes the 5th Chapter playable on Trauma, for example) yet, but surely, that would be very hard, if I want 5-Starring the levels...

As I mentioned, I'm resting the SP recently, but I definitely want to do a speedrun or time-attack on the whole game in the future. Also, I'm thinking about finishing PK+BOOH on Trauma and Nightmare with no cards and with 5-Starring every levels in a row, in ONE night (let's say from 8pm to 6am) only - that would be also a nice challenge... :) But back to Necro'..my best time against NecroGiant was this one (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/PK_C01E05_1st_2-Minutes.jpg) (Nightmare, no cards, 1:44). I think, DoomAxe is the best so far, with no cards... But also, I have good times for "Swamp" (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/PK_Shot1252.jpg) and "Pentagon" (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/PKBOOH_Pentagon-Perfect.jpg) - both of them with no cards and 5-Starred... :)

OMG, too much "blah-blah" again..congratulations, if You read it through... :D

[Artas1984]

...a voice from the darkness.....

You know, in the end of last year Peti and Doomer (They're my other Hungarian PK-Fellows) and me were doing a soul- and a gold-challenge too: so getting all souls and getting all golds. We used cards though, and the reward of the "5-Star Challenge". The gold-challenge was quite tedious (gold coins often fall through the ground) and we didn't think about getting jewels from the enemies (like Frag did earlier). So we stopped it. But the soul-challenge was interesting and it held challenges too: therefore I include those "Get his Soul!"-parts in my E1 and E2-videos (do You remember those ninjas in the distance in "Snowy Bridge"? or therefore was that "Babel"-example in the E2-video). The soul-challenge was completable (is that a word?) on most places: it was a fair challenge, since sometimes it wasn't hard, but sometimes it was almost getting tedious, LOL.



I think completable is good, don't forget that i am from Lithuania.
Yes, the "golden" challenge in some cases is nonense, i find it strange that gold disappears after some time, that is not logical.
If there are cheats for keeping bodies and stains of blood, there should be one to keep gold!
It's okay with souls, i shure saw your nice vids! What i mean about places in bridge where you can overrun the enemies:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7059/bridge58uz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And i will check out train station... ;)


...a voice from the darkness.....

The reward for the "5-Star Challenge"... Er, should I spoil it to You? I'll do it, if You want, but that will be a surprise when You done the challenge Yourself. That reward makes You a "god" in the Purgatory, anyway... ;) It holds many new potentials of fun-playing, I think..I remember, I used it for a long time, just for fun... :) If You want to know what's the reward, then I'll tell it to You in a PM... When I started completing the "5-Star Challenge", I knew what will be the reward: I found that very interesting, but I rather started it because I felt that I still didn't get enough from the game... :D



No, don't tel me, and no PM! I will do it myself. ;)



...a voice from the darkness.....

About armours...



Everything is clear now.


...a voice from the darkness.....

Even "Enclave" is very hard, if You want to collect all ammos: Necro' can hurt You badly on Nightmare and Trauma, and the center-area is very-very dangerous. But for example, "Swamp" is very easy: you can collect all ammo in just a few seconds, and then You just have to kick Swampy's butt...



Well, you see about that luck... :o
You may believe in whatever you want, but the thing in beating the swampgolem is the luck! It is not the skill like with Alastor, because the more CH4 bubbles in the swamp area - the bigger chance to kill the swampgolem in greater time!


...a voice from the darkness.....

Trauma-difficulty... Yes, I play for 5-Stars, even on Trauma. Sometimes I use up cards and the reward of the "5-Star Challenge": but only when I'm lazy or when I don't have much time to play. But I usually complete the game without using the Black Tarot. I must admit, both PK and BOOH can be 5-Starred with no cards at all (all levels in a row)... But You need patience, skills, luck (I personally don't believe in luck though), and time for that... And You must know the safest ways for getting the Secrets, of course... Yes, I like Trauma: 50% more damage (You're not allowed to make mistakes), and even the "no souls" makes it more challenging than Nightmare. I call Trauma a "fair challenge", while Nightmare isn't that for me, since You can heal Daniel with picking up souls, and I often finish the levels above 250 HP on Nightmare (what is just too much, LOL)... But I like the Demon Morph Mode of course, so maybe that's the only thing, what I'm missing from Trauma (the Demon Morph card helped earlier in BOOH though, but usually I don't use cards). Oh, the AutoSaves only: I like them. I said earlier that I like when someone solves situations rather with his skills than his luck. It's not a big deal in my book to reload the game 500 times to finish a challenge. But with limited saves..that's nice, I like it! :) And yes, the vines-Secret..that's one of the most hateful Secrets in PK, LOL! But I usually can do it with just a few reloadings (I always use that way what I showed in the E2-video). You know, earlier I thought that most of the Secrets would be just too tedious or even "impossible" (I don't know this word either) on Trauma. But today I must say I was wrong: almost all of them can be accessed relatively easily and quickly, and even safely. Let's see the 1st Secret of "Forest"... You can take the CheckPoint first, if You're a good fighter, and then You can go for the Secret. But You also can take the 1st CheckPoint, if You know a safer way for the 1st Secret. Actually, the safer way is how Cyody accesses that Secret (maybe You saw His video): You almost can't get hurt Daniel with that method...



You call trauma fair? But that's exactly not fair, no problem if you like trauma more, but the Nightmare is the real fair difficulty, lol. :rolleyes:

I get the christ on top of the pillar in catacombs by pk-jumping with vines, not like you showed in that clip, o and i believe the jump can be achieved just by jumping from pillar to pillar with speed card, though i have not tryed it, there is a thread about it somewhere.
But anyway, somehow i don't see the difference in speed card and in normal bunnyhops, what that speed card suppose to do?
You know, in Hexen II game there is an artifact called "boots of speed".
The Hexen II is already the fastest FPS/RPG single player game in the world, since based on quake's engine, and with those boots activated you are a rocket! :cool:
So if comparing with pk's speed card, the golden card is so pf...
Maby my version 1.00 has got something to do with speed, if there is a difference, than the difference is just smal. I will ask kalme about the exact value of the run with speed and without it.

Forest secet on arch? Yes, since it can be achieved only in trauma, it is the hardest secret, no mistakes are allowed, but i have got the secret in a different way than Cyody has shown in his 2 ways, though his vids are very inspiratious. I will have my vids after a month or two.


...a voice from the darkness.....

Nightmare and "5-Stars"... Indeed, "Docks" is very tough from the "5-Stars Challenge" aspect, however..looky at this (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/PK_C05E02_5-Starred.jpg) (with no cards, of course) - everything is possible... :) Nightmare is much easier, since You can QuickSave Your game anytime You want. I haven't tried the 5th Chapter with Kalme's difficulty-mod (what makes the 5th Chapter playable on Trauma, for example) yet, but surely, that would be very hard, if I want 5-Starring the levels...



City on water, Monastery, Lucifer's kingdom with it's 5 secrets - that would be possible in 5 starting on trauma, but no way docks, man. Well, if with cards, than yes, but without cards and cheats, that would be more than we call "hardcore", that would be impossible. :eek:


...a voice from the darkness.....

As I mentioned, I'm resting the SP recently, but I definitely want to do a speedrun or time-attack on the whole game in the future. Also, I'm thinking about finishing PK+BOOH on Trauma and Nightmare with no cards and with 5-Starring every levels in a row, in ONE night (let's say from 8pm to 6am) only - that would be also a nice challenge... :) But back to Necro'..my best time against NecroGiant was 1:44 (sorry for cuting)



Lol, paste your time in Doomaxe's thread or get a better one, since Doom has beaten kalme! Can you believe - 1:21 without "pkweapons"?!!!
And don't forget my cemetery.
You can choose what challenge mode you like better - the one with "pkweapons" (k's 4:18 is like a splinter in my ***), where my fastest so far was 4:27, or my 4:55 without "pkweapons".
So far! :)

[BloodBuster]

Ha ha

This has to be the thread with the longest posts.....

5 Star Challenge is cool. Difficult, but cool. Took me ages.

[Varus77]

@ Artas1984

But anyway, somehow i don't see the difference in speed card and in normal bunnyhops, what that speed card suppose to do?
I'm sure you remember what I said about normal speed in SP
(players ground speed (SP 0, 8, 15 and MP 0, 11, 28))
Now - if you use the speedcard - you'll get this:
-- speed (Move faster)
if Game.CardsSelected[cards[1].index] then
self.SpeedFactor = 1.5
and logical - therefore (SP 0, 12, 22.5) you'll jump wider.

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Artas, nice camping-place from "Snowy Bridge" indeed! :) Anyway, did You know that You can grab the hooks (yes the same hooks as on "Abandoned Factory") from above for doing some PK-Jumps with them? Only one staked grenade or with several shots from other weapons does the job. And then You can access so many places by PK-Jumping with the hooks... But of course it's not easy when the enemies are attacking Daniel, so I use to try it only after the area is cleared... :)

Yes, I agree about "Swamp": the bubbles make it rather a "luck-thing", but only if we see it from the time's aspect (although I think, anyone can beat that 4:00 easily, after he knows the correct method)...

I call Trauma "fair" or still fairly hard, because of the 50% more damage, the only CheckPoint-saves, and because of the "no souls"-challenge. You know, therefore I said that Nightmare is too easy for me: because You can use the souls to heal Daniel, and You often can finish the places with over 250 or even 300 HPs (and You know, red souls helps a lot). The missing souls makes Trauma to be a fair challenge for me: You can increase Daniel's HP only with the Health Items and with the MegaHealths. And You must know well, where to find them... ;) OK, now You can tell me that I shouldn't collect souls on Nightmare then... :) But it still would remain easy: again, 50% less damage and saving anywhere You want...

The 1st Secret on Trauma... You can make many mistakes, if You use Cyody's 2nd method. Even if You fall down, You'll loose a few HPs or nothing at all. Once I raided out that Secret with 1 HP only (because I did too many mistakes while I was trying to get it), LOL! You can click here (http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=146032&postcount=40) to view it in pictures... :D BTW, I'm very-very curious about Your method to reach the "Forest"-Secret! I surely will be amazed on that: another new method, WOW! A video please, ASAP... * thumbs up * :)

About the Speed card... As Varus said, it's so logical, and it works even as in real-life, LOL. The more speed gives You a longer jump - obviously. As You know, You can bring up the console-window in the game by pressing the "0"-key (not on NumPad, but the other "0"-key): now type here the "/speedmeter 1" command to display Daniel's current speed! And analyze how it works with and without the Speed card. You know the 2nd Secret on "Dead City" from BOOH: that's nothing with using the Speed card, I tested it last time. Daniel can do much longer jumps, even from standing...

About 5-Starring "Docks" on Trauma... Well, never say "never" and "impossible", until You haven't tried it Yourself. And trust in Yourself! If You want it, You'll do it... :) Besides of philosophy and mentality, we already know many ways what can help You to reduce or avoid getting hurt from the high falls. Frag showed many good tips on His "Docks"-series, a few months ago... And don't forget that You can halve the 3 Secrets by that CheckPoint above. However, I know, there are some very hazardous jumps, what usually ends with falling down and dying immediately... :) But it matters on practice too... Maybe once I'll try that challenge too, but I know it's very-very hard. But I don't say it's "impossible"...

About "speedruns" or "time attacks"... Well, I surely wouldn't use any cheats, so only what the game allows normally. But if I used cheats, I would attach a text onto the Statistics-pictures: "With 'pkweapons'!" or something like that. You know, authentication is my middle name, LOL. What if someone sees the pictures somewhere a few months later, and he won't know that most of the times were done with cheats? (I don't mean cheats in the bad meaning here, since the goal is to achieve as less time as possible, and that's okay.) He won't be able to beat them, so that will be an unfair challenge to him... I'm saying this also because I think, that would be great to collect these nice times/stats once onto a webpage, but that only makes sense with a complete authentication... Anyway, the topics themselves are OK, since anyone always mentions that how he achived those times, and that's okay... :)

[Artas1984]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Anyway, did You know that You can grab the hooks (yes the same hooks as on "Abandoned Factory") from above for doing some PK-Jumps with them?



That's how i've got on the boxes and roofs:-)


...a voice from the darkness.....

I call Trauma "fair" or still fairly hard...



Alright, i agree that Nightmare does not give a challenge anymore, but still it is a normal mode, though i agree that playing on Trauma makes things challenging and everything is possible!


...a voice from the darkness.....

BTW, I'm very-very curious about Your method to reach the "Forest"-Secret! I surely will be amazed on that: another new method, WOW! A video please, ASAP... * thumbs up * :)



That won't be soon man, i have to finish collecting cards, then 5 stars nightmare, then 5 stars trauma, only then vids.
So, not less than a month.
And about that method, it is simple, when you reach the hights of that structure instead of jumping on ropes, you have to walk around in the right - the path is longer and it has got some walking around before you finally reach the secrtet.
You could imagine yourself.


...a voice from the darkness.....

About "speedruns" or "time attacks"... Well, I surely wouldn't use any cheats, so only what the game allows normally. But if I used cheats, I would attach a text onto the Statistics-pictures: "With 'pkweapons'!" or something like that. You know, authentication is my middle name, LOL. What if someone sees the pictures somewhere a few months later, and he won't know that most of the times were done with cheats? (I don't mean cheats in the bad meaning here, since the goal is to achieve as less time as possible, and that's okay.) He won't be able to beat them, so that will be an unfair challenge to him... I'm saying this also because I think, that would be great to collect these nice times/stats once onto a webpage, but that only makes sense with a complete authentication... Anyway, the topics themselves are OK, since anyone always mentions that how he achived those times, and that's okay... :)

Ye, i don't persuade you to beat cemetery, though of course you could try that alone to see how fun are the speedruns not in boss levels, but in simple short easy ones.
I see that we have a common principe of gaming: we like what is fair and what takes time, and we are always striving rather than cheating. It is so sad, that there are people in this forum, those do not have patience to learn, they cheat instead. Also it is sad that some well known people instead of mastering theyr skill to higher levels, just loose it and choose other games or post more "trash chat" than what is really actual about pk. I don't wanna mention those, i do not feel anger, i am just proud of such dudes like you SYS.

[Artas1984]

One more thing!
All of you who play 5 stars either on nightmare or trauma - do you play without cards and cheats?
I mean, that is what i could thought of, it should be done without cheats and cards, yes?

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Cyody and me already finished PK on Trauma with 5-Starring all levels in row, and with no cards and with no cheats (in April). That was our "officially never started" challenge. Then I finished it on Nightmare too, and BOOH too (both on Nightmare and Trauma), with the above rules... Anyway, I mentioned this already, so You should've been known the answer to Your own question... ;)

However, I still use cards and the 5-Star reward sometimes: when I don't really have time to play and I want to finish the whole game ASAP. But that's rather just my own laziness... * oops * :) So sometimes I use the Iron Will card for the vines-Secret in "Catacombs" (reloading is too long for me), or last time I used the Speed card for getting the 2nd Secret on "Dead City" (for experimental purposes only: the Secret is nothing with the Speed card <- conclusion). But again, they aren't necessary at all, everything can be done without them, and I know it very well since April... ;)

Which levels were really very hard for us (Cyody and me)? Well: "Enclave", "Ruins", "Forest" (a bit), and "Tower" from PK. We were extremly lucky with "Catacombs"! From BOOH? Maybe "Stone Pit" only, but many other levels held some unpleasent surprises too (for example, Daniel dies easily in "Pentagon")... :D

[Artas1984]

He, one more time went through town to gib some money and in the end i made some screens with dead bodies

I feel like necromancer lord:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7361/0013gb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ceiling shower in blood:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5066/0028zp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is the power of antigravity:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2667/0039ky.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

After fight with the necro lord he took my half armor!
I took 7 stakes to kill him!
Zombie wants to be a stain:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7536/0043ds.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Look, i am an olympic game spear thrower:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8342/0051pu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sweet zombie duet:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7676/0066zi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Zombie wants to climb walls with stake in his throat...
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2816/0075gx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Keep in mind that it was done without any cheats and powermad or cards.
I am just trying to prove that great screens can be done in normal gaming!

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

This is an old trick, Artas. But I congratulate You, if You found it by Yourself! * thumbs up * :) I wasn't that creative: I saw a few shots on PKEuro.com months ago, and they showed those corpses on "Town" to be staked onto the ceiling. So I liked the idea, and I tried it after that, and indeed, it was fun. And recently I even did that fun on Varus' "Hills" too... :)

[Artas1984]

Hey, but this trick should not be acceptible, i mean, it is a bug, if the corpses remain on the walls after the stake is gone.
I just picked up one zombie in the air with painkiller and staked him in the wall.
I thought that after the stake would be vanquished, the bodie would fall down, so it was i surprise for me that it did not.
Never have i searched anything in pk.euro. I do not "interest myself" to that site, and it was a discovery for me.
I only wonder should there be fixes for this hanging in air?

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Actually, we can think that the stakes are still there, but the program spares resources for performance with disappearing them for a while. That's the reason why it has the "Decals Stay" option. But it's possible to make the stakes and shurikans to never disappear, by modifying the scripts - Kalme knows the answer... :)

[kalme]

But it's possible to make the stakes and shurikans to never disappear, by modifying the scripts - Kalme knows the answer... :)
I published these modifications some time ago in this forum, and both will make their way into Powermad :P

[T'krau]

But it's possible to make the stakes...to never disappear...

I published these modifications some time ago in this forum, and both will make their way into Powermad :P
Oh, please please please please please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

As Kalme told us, it will be included in the next PM, but anyway, click here (http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20683) to check that old topic... ;)

[Artas1984]

Special thanks to Cyody and Frag Maniac:
now i have experienced that you can do the town 5 star challenge by using only stakegun.
Frag Maniac: for he has shown the way to jump on megahealth with stakegun (i allways used painkillerjump and wondered ho to jump with stake)
Cyody: for he has shown ho to get the 2 secrets without painkillerjump (crosses in the windows)
It works!
Anyone who wonders is it possible to 5 star town without cards and cheats with stake - yes!

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Very nice Artas, congratulations! :) But as I said earlier, any levels are possible on any difficulties... ;) And I'm saying it especially after "Hills"... :p :D

[Artas1984]

I wonder what is harder: 5 star hills on trauma without cards and cheats or 5 star docks on trauma without cards and cheats???
SYS? Anyone? What are your experiences?

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Interesting question, Artas. :) You surely remember, I mentioned that I haven't tried only the 5th Chapter on Trauma, from the "5-Starring the levels in a row" aspect. But I'll definitely do a completion once with Kalme's "unlock service", so I'll know more after that. But as I'm speculating... Well-well, on "Hills", You must stay alive for more than an hour, even if You're fast like thunder. Whilst those 3 hard Secrets on "Docks" need only about 20 minutes, if You're good. I'm talking about the net game-time and when everything goes fine (that goes both for "Hills" and "Docks"), of course. And on "Docks", still there's a CheckPoint, after the first two Secrets of the three, what is actually a big help. On "Hills", You have to suffer so long before You reach the one and only CheckPoint, what "reduces" the level a bit... :)

[Artas1984]

Alright town!
Lets have a look at the screenshots those i have made a month ago.
I love to watch other's vids and screens so i thought at least i could satisfy the hunger of those who like the town level and would like to visit town's buildings.
I am again thanking Cyody for this:
http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/cyody/town_secrets.wmv

But than again i am thanking PCF for the development of pk-jump.
Though my pk-jumps in factory were more harder and higher made, but indeed walking on town's roofs can be deadly: there are places where you can not progress to walk on the roofs, cause you trigger the event of...YOU DIE! So, if someone would like to repeat my "walkings" - be aware not to die!

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2279/town62qe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9029/town70vw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3897/town85ob.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5667/town93tf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2139/town94ls.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/4977/town43iz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/9081/town38fd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[PeTjA]

I'm trying for the 5 star challenge in Nightmare mode in the Town Level, but I have not been able to find any Holy Items and only managed to find the health secret on the ledge at the begining of this level. Is there a movie out there that shows all of these? Or can anyone just tell me how and where to find them, Thanks. I was on The Hall of Pain's site and one of his movies used some sort of ghost/no clip cheat to pass through walls to search for things. Is there a ghost/no clip cheat mod for Painkiller and how do I find it, Thanks again.
U cant find all Items in 5 Star Nightmare in Town !!! (I didnt read all Answers)
U have to get first all Cards (Nightmare) & then play Trauma 5 Stars.
:o

[cyody]

very good screenshots, artas! *thumbs up*

i never climbed up there :confused: ....but the next time i play the town-level, i must try it! :)