interviewed with Angel Munoz

[catphone]

Let's get retrospective now. This is the last PK tournament ever. (Angel laughs loudly) Are you satisfied with the choice you've made for the World Tour?

I really am. I mean... what was there to choose? There were some other games out there. But there are some things that could have been done better, like for example the fact that I think the developers let us down a little bit on the promises they made. We had contracts with them where they promised this...there was a lot of skepticism from the community, that they said, 'These people are not going to deliver,' that this is like with 'Halo PC' all over again.

When DreamCatcher -- which really was a driving force -- has realized only recently is that this is an important thing and that they should have supported. Thank God, we had people like the guys that are now behind Q4MAX that were supporting us and helping us. They did a great job and I cannot say enough about them. We could call them and ask them for a change or something and they were always available. For nothing! For absolutely nothing. They didn't get anything in return. They were just there to support the community.

For me, that was sort of a transforming experience, to see these guys dedicated and then the people that really benefit that sold... I know how much they've sold because they've reported to me. They've sold hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of this game, millions really. And they weren't really there to support it. That was the negative.

The positive was that it still made for good competition. The fast-paced rate of the game makes for interesting competition. Will I use it again? I don't think so. No.

Click HERE (http://www.ggl.com/news.php?NewsId=1690) read the full,what do you think after you read?i'm no idea :( DC and PCF make it dead

[PeTjA]

CPL have closed there Painkiller Forum and talking about Painkiller.

Good People dont need CPL. Shame on U "Mr. Munoz: f*ck Ur Workers"!:rolleyes:

[Artas1984]

I remember in CPL forums i asked will PK be returned after some jahre (1 - 2) if quake4 would suck (q4 already sucks) before ut2007 (i dont play this either) shows up?

He posted after me and said NO!

We will make our own league - "dreamcatcher lols killers" (ha ha)

CPL now suck, but they did good that PK was taken that high!

[catphone]

well,can we host an online tournament?we have servers :D
if pk and q3 in the identical year birth,i thinks pk will be able to be similarly popular,right? lol

[PeTjA]

Painkiller have Servers in Poland, Europe, worldwide, USA, Canada, everywhere Asia, Australia ...
Painkiller uniteD

[PeTjA]

http://www.ggl.com/news.php?NewsId=1401 One more Article from Carmac, thx to CatPhone.

[Artas1984]

As you can see, people state painkiller as a bad game due netcode and bugs it has. Obviously such people are idiots and do not know anything about playing.

[Crazy]

CPL did so much for PK...they also let PK go on tv! (mtv)
Too bad most of the people didnt like the game because "its bugged and has random gameplay"...but now that q4 is out u can see with your eye that q4 is not less bugged and random than pk :) the "small" difference is that pk was a small game that none was expecting so much, done by a small software house while q4 was a game that everybody was waiting as "the best fps ever"...considering that i really think pk won over q4 (that is just a bugged copy of q3 and has no soul while pk HAS it)

[Artas1984]

CPL did so much for PK...they also let PK go on tv! (mtv)
Too bad most of the people didnt like the game because "its bugged and has random gameplay"...but now that q4 is out u can see with your eye that q4 is not less bugged and random than pk :) the "small" difference is that pk was a small game that none was expecting so much, done by a small software house while q4 was a game that everybody was waiting as "the best fps ever"...considering that i really think pk won over q4 (that is just a bugged copy of q3 and has no soul while pk HAS it)

You write this there!

I agree totaly!

[bjanga]

I think the air control in PK put people off - I do not like it myself because it messes me up when I want to look somewhere that is not in the direction I am traveling. I am also liking Q4's weapons better than PK's, although PK's were very unique. I think a super-fast stake would be preferable to the rail, though. Maybe.

Q4 has its share of bugs, but mostly people are just b*tching about performance . . .

EDIT: Q4 definately has soul. However, I doubt any game will ever have more soul than PK.

[Skeletor]

Great stuff :)

PK would have been **** without pk++

[bjanga]

Anyone care to give me an overview of PK++? Did it mostly fix little bugs, etc., or more gameplay-affecting things, like weapon/armor characteristics?

[Artas1984]

Anyone care to give me an overview of PK++? Did it mostly fix little bugs, etc., or more gameplay-affecting things, like weapon/armor characteristics?

http://www.uploadtemple.com/thumb/generic-file.jpg (http://www.uploadtemple.com/view.php/1136371093.zip)

[Artas1984]

Great stuff :)

PK would have been **** without pk++

Don't say that.
PK++ (despite its' goodies) does not work with powermad.

[Skeletor]

They are two different mods, they should not work with each other by definition? Besides one is intended for SP only and one for MP only... *

*(although I wonder... since PK++ doesn't touch default PK, you should be able to run both...)


PK++ (despite its' goodies) does not work with powermad.I think you have that the wrong way around anyway :)

[Artas1984]

I think you have that the wrong way around anyway :)

What you mean?

[Skeletor]

I mean the suggestion that PK++ should work with powermad, not the other way around.

As far as I know, PK++ is a true mod in that it does not change the original game, but allows both options - I am not sure the same is true of powermads?

[PeTjA]

As far as I know, PK++ is a true mod in that it does not change the original game?

PK++ isnt just a HUD-Hitsoundmod. It comes with a Rocketfix and this is a (Havok)physic part of the game. Its a fault of pkeuro that they didnt closed the MOD, so U can join PK-servers with PK++ and PK++servers with PK. The result are lags, player-servercrashes and only god knows what also.
Play a while pure PK on pure PK Servers then switch to play PK++ on PK++ servers. U should feel the difference, the Rocketfix.

[Skeletor]

I've not heard that...and from my experience there are no lags because of the server/mod, only because of pk itself.... if they closed the mod it would have made it impossible for new players to the game - and there are not enough servers to split into two, it seems like a wise choice to me (server admins should install pk++ anyway, it tells newbies where to get pk++)

but what I said about the mod being a mod is still true. In q3 you can play osp on non-osp servers, it doesn't make it any less a mod.

and yes pk++ is more than just a mod, what other game mod has bots put in from scratch without an SDK?? and so many other fixes

[PeTjA]

U should check the documentation from pk++.;)
I play this game for 2 years and pk++ was a CPL turnament duel-MOD. Also its dead and will not longer be supportet or updated by blowfish from pkeuro. And once again the MOD mixing causes lags, its the same feeling like someone with 255 Ping is joining a match, just worser.

Better go for NewPK 0.2 , thx to Crazy for closing this MOD so nomore "Progamer" :D or PK player can join a NewPK Server. BTW i never would join a PK++ server with pure PK because it lags too. Got it? No? Test it!

[Skeletor]

Feel free to enlighten me where in the documentation to whatever you are referring ;)

I've tested already and get no lags? Besides if the server is PK++ I do not see why you'd want to play it with anything other than a PK++ client? If the server is not PK++ then why force removing that option? It immediately makes a tiny number of servers even smaller..? Where is the problem?

I've tried NewPK 0.2 and it is terrible :( Besides I don't get your 'Progamer' comment - PK++ has lots of features nothing to do with the CPL too - bots for example, team deathmatch overlay, etc.? NewPK has none of these...

[PeTjA]

How long do U play Painkiller?
What happen when 2 people with 2 different physics join a server?

a.) it runs smoother
b.) nothing
c.) strange things

U get me wrong when U think i dont like PK++. Im talked about the mixing of different MOD´s of the game on a server.
And PK++ was made for and was used by the CPL.

Is there any Painkiller-CPL Forum online? Its down for months.

Sorry for my bad english, im sure Ur german is worser. I dont post here anymore. See U on a server, using the wrong MOD, later.

[Skeletor]

Rocketfix is serverside only... (and it can be turned off.)

PK++ has LOTS of features for the community, I mentioned a few before, but what about rcon, logging, duel queue, not to mention proplus mode? To say it is only for the CPL is not true. As for forum, pk++ is from pkeuro, and that is still there...

http://www.pkeuro.com/comments.php?blogid=1&eid=57
and
http://www.pkeuro.com/comments.php?blogid=1&eid=58

.. are lists of what PK++ did.. so many things. Some for CPL, and lots for PK itself and the community.

To say it is only for the CPL does not do it justice. Offline bots changed the game for many people - q3 is built around offline bots!

If only there had been a 1.7, or any of this got done by pcf/dc...


Feel free to enlighten me where in the documentation to whatever you are referringYou didn't answer this?

[T'krau]

I'm still not clear about one thing - could I play against pk++'s bots off-line? My dial-up usually means that M/P'ing isn't a viable option, but occasionally it'd be fun to try some of the M/P maps. Will this work?

[Skeletor]

T'krau - yes

[pool]

Sure, you can play PK++ bots off-line. But not many bots at one time: more bots - more lags:( Two or three.... One day i started 10 bots, lol, and i have 3 fps!!:)

[T'krau]

T'krau - yes
Cool - thanks!



Sure, you can play PK++ bots off-line. But not many bots at one time: more bots - more lags:( Two or three.... One day i started 10 bots, lol, and i have 3 fps!!:)
What's your system like? I ask only to judge how mine will react.

[pool]

P4 2,66 bus 533
memory 1024Mb
video X800XL 256

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Yes, so true observations about the bots, Pool: when I type "/addbot" on my own offline server, my FPS drops by around 50-60 FPS, although it's almost the same when a player joins into the arena online... But this is due to what I have (http://www.darkscorner.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=309&Itemid=265)... :)

[T'krau]

OK, I D/L'd the file, and copied the install instructions from pkeuro, but I still have questions;

- do I have to uninstall Powermad?
- the install says "To start the game with PK++ loaded, add -lscripts PKPlus.pak in the command line, such that the game is run: \Painkiller\Bin\Painkiller.exe -lscripts PKPlus.pak...". I can do this. What I don't understand is how to start a 'bot fight (perhaps this is a good time to mention that I have not installed the file yet).

To put it another way, how do I make it work?

Performance-wise, I should be OK - http://www.darkscorner.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304&Itemid=134 - I'd like to try 5 or 6 bots, and see what happens.

[PeTjA]

I cant tell U much about PowerMad vs PK++ but once U run the PK++ MOD U will have 2 Bots by default.
There some commands like /addbot or /minbot ... just im to lazy to check the readme. Also if U like to have 6 Bots open Ur config and look for:

Cfg.BotMinPlayers = X

U can also give them own names or taunts.:)
I recommend to start the server offline.
One more thing: After installed U should run the Icon "Check for Updates" for new maps. If U asked for "recreating Icons (recommended)" say:

YES:D

U will get 5 Icons one is called "play original PK" maybe it work with PowerMad. Who knows? It work for singelplay (& MP too) ,thats it.

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, after installing PK++, PM won't work anymore. It also won't work after clicking on the "Check For PK++ Updates" icon. So T'krau, You should reinstall or install PM after installing PK++, but that's not the full story... Anytime You want to run the game with PK++, You must rename the "LScripts"-folder (what was created by PM), because if You don't do this then PM and PK++ will mess up things badly and You won't get a workable game. Then if You want to start the game with PM and with no PK++, then You must rename back the "LScripts"-folder and click on the "Play Originial PK" icon, as PeTjA said (PM doesn't disturb MP if You want to play online with no PK++)... It's a little bit complicated, but You can get use to it soon. Another solution may be that if You install the whole game twice: once for PK++ and once for PM, but that's just space-wasting on HDD in my opinion. But You decide... :)

[T'krau]

Another solution may be that if You install the whole game twice: once for PK++ and once for PM...
This could work.



...but that's just space-wasting on HDD in my opinion. But You decide...
I've got about 120-odd gigs free at the moment...I'm not worried.

[Skeletor]

Try the bots in PCF game mode - great fun :D

(if you spectate them in botskill 10 they are amazing to watch)

[Skeletor]

Actually can someone make some videos of the bots?

[Artas1984]

Actually can someone make some videos of the bots?

Fuk them all!
They aim good even if bootskill is worst, but their movement makes sick.

If you play with them in DM_Psycho, they always hide under the stairs etc...
Videos of the bots? Why the heck?

[Skeletor]

Why the heck?I've seen them doing some pretty cool stuff :D

[T'krau]

Try the bots in PCF game mode - great fun :D

(if you spectate them in botskill 10 they are amazing to watch)
Thanks for the tip, and the advice in general, guys!

Gonna try installing it this afternoon - I'll let y'all know how it works.

[Artas1984]

I've seen them doing some pretty cool stuff :D

Bullshit!
There wont' be any good bot better than human!
How can you admire them?
I will better make a video how to jump in multiplayer rather you will adore bot jumps and whatever...

[Artas1984]

About powermad with PK++ - a good way is to ignore those messages those appear when you launch PK - it helps if nothing would happen.

So instead clicking abort - click ignore!

[blowfish]

3 FPS on that PC with 10 bots doesn't sound right...

As a test, I've set up 8 bots in tdm, with my config (/blowfish command in pk++).

My PC is only a lowly AMD 2800, GF4200ti .. so not exactly up to date...

I get 60-70 fps (75 fps in the smaller rooms) with 8 bots (you'd probably normally play with 7 at most?)..
please see attached picture : http://www.pkeuro.com/images/botfps.jpg

http://www.pkeuro.com/images/botfps.jpg

I'd suggest you make sure that you have all the latest drivers, make sure you are not running other things... There's a brief guide to checking your pc is optimised, here: http://www.pkeuro.com/faq.php#HowcanIimprovetheperformanceofmyPC?

I hope that's useful :)

[T'krau]

...I'll let y'all know how it works.
Three days later - it doesn't. I tried three different installs (PK+Booh, fully patched, no Powermad - twice in a separate folder in the Dreamcatcher directory, once in it's own directory). Each time, it buggered up the original game, and only once was I able to get PK++ to run (and, to add insult to injury, there were no 'bots). I'd get a '...data/lscripts/main/cfg.lua...' error message.

Any ideas?

[blowfish]

It sounds as though you've not installed it properly.

Make sure you are on 1.64 and have installed all the previous patches correctly. PK++ should give no errors at all.

[T'krau]

Make sure you are on 1.64 and have installed all the previous patches correctly.
It is, and they are. It's acting as if the files are 'double-writing', as in installing into both directories (I think).