centered weapons?

[hund_schraube]

is there a way to have centered weapons ala quake1[maybe a console command].just seems weird that the weapons are on the right side but 1\3 the projectiles come from the center ;)

[PeTjA]

I would say its impossible as far as i know.

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, it's possible, but only with a mod. Kalme made a weapon-position mod more than a year ago, You can download it from here (http://tombraider.central-game.net/sys/painkiller/Kalme_WeaponPositionMods.zip): You may put the weapons to the center or left side of the screen...

[RJ19]

hehe another thing to be added on the mods page. Just a question, in which PK folder I must extract the .zips so the mods would work?

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

I've just checked it: "<Your PK-folder>\Data\LScripts\Classes\" - extract "CWeapon.lua" to there (create folders if they don't exist)...

[RJ19]

I've now added the mod ;)

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/allaboutpainkiller/files_mods.html#9

[PeTjA]

We learn until we die.
Never knowed this mod exists. GJ kalme.

[hund_schraube]

thanks very much wasnt sure if this was possible.

friggin fantastic ;)

[hund_schraube]

http://users.adelphia.net/~bigolar/files/Painkiller_centered_weapons.jpg

mirror
http://users.adelphia.net/~bigolar/files/Kalme_WeaponPositionMods.zip

[Frag Maniac]

Better to just have iron sights than "centered" weapons, as in reality, there is no such thing. One handed weapons would look centered if iron sights were used, but not without them. Two handed weapons have a stock which is impractical and even dangerous to position in front of your body.

The way you show the Stakegun positoned for example would involve holding your gun hand tight against your body in front of your torso, not exactly the way a one handed weapon is typically fired.

[hund_schraube]

Better to just have iron sights than "centered" weapons, as in reality, there is no such thing. One handed weapons would look centered if iron sights were used, but not without them. Two handed weapons have a stock which is impractical and even dangerous to position in front of your body.

The way you show the Stakegun positoned for example would involve holding your gun hand tight against your body in front of your torso, not exactly the way a one handed weapon is typically fired.
ok you do realize that NONE of the weapons in pk or booh really exist right?

and actually one of the 3 ways you can aim one of these[the 2 on the right]is like that[from experience]
http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/500/32shotgun_collage.jpg

[Frag Maniac]

The weapons are still hand held by a human in the game, and some are very similar to actual weapons. Whether they actually exist or not isn't the point, it's the reality or lack of with which they're held/aimed I'm talking about. The pistol grip shotgun you example as being center held/fired without iron sights is not really practical to shoot one handed, let alone via centering it in front of your torso at gut or chest height.

Most would in fact fire that weapon using the foregrip to steady aim AND facilitate quicker reloading. Hollywood likes to use steroid pumped celebs to showcase some fancy one handed shooting with pistol grip shotguns, but you won't see many skilled shooters firing one that way in real life situations. Even the bulky movie stars are using blanks that don't have nearly the kick an actual shotgun round does.

Bottom line, a weapon as you've shown would be very naively used in positioning it one handed in front of your midsection. Even if the kick didn't slam it into you chest it wouldn't make sense to angle your forearm in front of your body, rather than keeping your entire arm in line with the weapon to absorb the kick. You might get off a few rounds without fatigue and/or injury that way, but you'd soon see the disadvantages of it.

BTW, you say you've aimed one that way, but how much have you actually FIRED one that way, big difference?

[Luigibuddy]

Mirror for the mod. (http://eatchain.com/games/Kalme_WeaponPositionMods.zip)


Better to just have iron sights than "centered" weapons, as in reality, there is no such thing.

There are no demons in reality either.

[Frag Maniac]

There are no demons in reality either.Not in REALity maybe, but according to many religious beliefs most based on historical accounts (accurate or not), they ARE supposedly a part of the surreal or occult. That they do not by nature dwell in the flesh as we do does not mean they don't exist in some realm. Ah but then there's exorcisement, God's favorite "mod" for the human form. Of course atheist would say there is no proof of any of that, yet many of them engage in occult fascination such as this game offers, interesting paradox.

Where ya been hangin out at, and what ya been playin', you seem to have taken a vacation from the place?

[tim12379]

Not in REALity maybe, but according to many religious beliefs most based on historical accounts (accurate or not), they ARE supposedly a part of the surreal or occult. That they do not by nature dwell in the flesh as we do does not mean they don't exist in some realm. Ah but then there's exorcisement, God's favorite "mod" for the human form. Of course atheist would say there is no proof of any of that, yet many of them engage in occult fascination such as this game offers, interesting paradox.


yes, but as an atheist i can say that i do not connect the ideas in pk to reality, i play pk because it is fun and that is all there is to it. you dont see me abandoning PK and going of to play counter strike or some other more REAListic game.

[Luigibuddy]

Not in REALity maybe, but according to many religious beliefs most based on historical accounts (accurate or not), they ARE supposedly a part of the surreal or occult. That they do not by nature dwell in the flesh as we do does not mean they don't exist in some realm. Ah but then there's exorcisement, God's favorite "mod" for the human form. Of course atheist would say there is no proof of any of that, yet many of them engage in occult fascination such as this game offers, interesting paradox.

Where ya been hangin out at, and what ya been playin', you seem to have taken a vacation from the place?

Painkiller itself is a very unrealistic game (one man against he11? what) so I don't know why you started to talk about the weapon position no matter how unrealistic it is. :)


Where ya been hangin out at, and what ya been playin', you seem to have taken a vacation from the place?

I've taken a break from message boards. I visited this place again because I recently got the PK Black Edition. :cool:
I have been playing SiN Episodes which is stealing the little free time I have.

[Bjossi]

Why are we talking about realism in Painkiller's case? :confused:
The game is not supposed to be realistic at all, and the center view reminds of good ol' Doom. :D

[Frag Maniac]

I think it's fair at this point then to define what the author of the post meant by "just seems a little weird" when referring to the side angled position the weapons show at by default? That could just as easily read as unrealistic view or way to hold a weapon. That you guys have taken what I said about weapon position and extrapolated it into meaning I thought the game itself to be realistic is taking what I said quite a bit out of context.

Some of you seemed to have glossed over the fact that during the discussion, the author of the thread defended what he was proposing by exampling a real weapon he says can be aimed as he suggested in direct answer to the way I described his talk of it's desired position. When I further pressed that it is not practical to actually shoot such a weapon in that position, and detailed why, he did not refute it, nor did he claim to have even done so.

So, in all of this from what I can see, reality of weapon position and it's firing in that position WAS discussed here by more than just myself. Another contradiction like I pointed out with those not believing in God engaging in games that are actually based on religious beliefs is the want for weapons to be held and fired in a less weird, and as exampled by the pistol grip shotgun shown, REAListic way (by definition of him exampling a REAL weapon can be held that way), despite saying they accept that the game is not realistic at all.

I don't really care what anyone believes or what games they play, I'm just pointing out the absurdity and contradiction of some of the things that are requested in a game, given that the game itself goes against the mindset of those wanting the changes. Lots of us want the game to be a bit different in ways, but at some point the desire for changes often gets constured as sounding like "reality mods", for the reasons I just exampled.

Yes, playing a character that is one man against hordes of demons is a bit absurd, and a fantasy of ego boosting proportions (aren't most shooters?), though it's purgatory, not he11. My comment on the surreal was specifically to address that demons real or not are something many believe to exist, whether in this world or another, that does not mean I think the game is realistic in showing them or accurate in portraying them, or that the story itself makes any sense.

[RJ19]

I'll skip talking about demons, heaven and **** but I'd like to comment about the mod. It's just a good choise for players if they wan't to change the position of the weapon. I agree with Bjossi that centered weapon reminds of old good doom times and since this is just a game, it doesn't need to be realistic. Only thing that bothers me with the mod is that when the weapon is on the left, the electric "ball" in the head of electrodriver is misplaced :D.

[hund_schraube]

just seems weird that the weapons are on the right side but 1\3 the projectiles come from the center ;)you did read frag before you posted right?




BTW, you say you've aimed one that way, but how much have you actually FIRED one that way, big difference?back in the day a bunch.

ways to shoot a sawed off pump with pistol grip
1. from the hip[semi accurate]
2. from center chest level braced against chest[more accurate and not too painfull]
3. aiming down the sight[teeth busting out painfull];)
4. one handed very accurate[here is where you are completly wrong,at full extention the weight of the gun and the recoil distance actually take most of the recoil]

your talking to a man that with a singleshot 12 ga sawed off to 18" barrel,26.5" overall nailed a pop can at 25 yrds with a deer slug one handed[luck probably but i still done it].

[Frag Maniac]

[here is where you are completly wrong,at full extention the weight of the gun and the recoil distance actually take most of the recoil]First off I didn't quote the "1/3 of the projectiles come from the center" part because it's just not true. Second the example the mod shows of the stake gun is obviously NOT being held "at full extension" as you now appear to be claiming, as if it were you would see at least Daniel's hand if not part of his arm. At full extension would also mean either turning your body sideways or crossing your arm in front of your body's center, angling the alignment. That a person owns guns does not make him an expert at using them, nor a viable critic for how they should be shown/fired in games. Holding a pistol grip shotgun against one's chest is not only absurd, it's totally contradictory to wanting to hold it "at full extension" which doesn't make sense either in the way you describe it.

Now that I think about it too, one of the most ironic things I just noticed is that even your avatar shows hand held guns being angled towards center from each side of the body. LOL, go figure, the idiosyncrasy is staring you right in the face.:rolleyes:

[hund_schraube]

i hate to keep commenting on just a mod but unless my pk is skrewed up ;)

1 stakes come from the center of screen
2 stakegun nades come from the center of screen
3 rockets come from the center of screen
4 nails come from the center of screen
5 shotgun altfire come from the center of screen
6 booh stakegun stakes from the center of screen