whats the average PK'ers age?

[tim12379]

pretty self explanitory.
ive been shocked that the pple who ive been playing against are sending me messages saying "ill brb, kids" then when i ask them they say that theyre something around 40. in games like counter strike most pple that play are around 13 so i was extremly shocked when i found out that pple who i play with alot were 3 times older than me

im 15, so is there anybody younger than me who plays PK?

[Blaise]

I'm 44... does it really present a problem?

[Frag Maniac]

LOL, PK seems to have a wide gap, rather than range, meaning the players are either fairly young (15-22), or fairly "old" by most gamer's perspectives (40-50). I happen to be at the upper end of that spectrum at 48, a full fledged geezer for all intents and purposes.

I seem to see this trend on a lot of forums, concerning a lot of games though, and have been trying to rationalize why it is so. Here's one possibility, after age 21-22, many are busy getting careers started, leaving home, dating and finding life hard to afford, stressfull, and time consuming. It can be hard to afford the time, money, and leisure moments it takes to get into gaming at that age. Once you get past 40, your life seems to wind down socially, leaving you more leisure time to "invent" new hobbies.

OMG, I just realized after all that talk about youth, I summed up a post 40's mid life crisis in one sentence. Oh well, that's life, you'll find out when you get older.;)

[RJ19]

well I'm 19 if it matters.

[Enigma]

I'm 34 ish and I agree with Frag Maniac reasons. :p

[Greybeard]

I'm sure there was a poll a good few months back (over a year, I'd guess, but the memory goes at my age http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif ) of the age groups of the forum members. I thought I'd be the oldest by a long way but, unless folk were lying, the majority were over 40. I think it also confirmed Frag's theory with most falling at either end of the ranges. I must admit I've had more time to experiment, make movies and such, since I took early retirement last year.

That said, I was in my 30's when the First Person Shooter was 'invented' (Wolfenstein 3D, Doom) and I've had a game on the go ever since (here's every FPS I've ever played http://uk.geocities.com/mandas@btinternet.com/FPS.htm). I presume I've been having a mid-life crisis ever since http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif .

Anyway, does age matter? I hope not http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif .

[tim12379]

it just seems wierd to me
as i said in counterstrike all the people who were on my clan were 15 - 22
also all of the people who i heard mic spamming were also around the same age
no age doesnt really matter but i just have to get used to it, and act more mature :)

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, I'm 27 in about 2 weeks. Age does matter when You try to play online: because it's damned hard (or impossible :D) to keep pace with those "14 years old ultrapwnzor kids" (reflexes)! Heh... But that's the only case! :)

[PeTjA]

Im 33, mid-life crises too ... and planing to visit a beautyfarm that make me help look like age 13 again.:p

Nice list Greybeard!!! Did anyone of U ever played ROTT (Rise of the triad) btw?

About Tims question: In my eyes CS is more a "reality-like" shooter. Just like OFP or Battlefield 2 for example. U must be young to like this games.
If U are getting older (and maybe serverd U time in the army) U dont like to play reality-shooters. Or maybe U got a serious war-trauma.

But shooters with some "sifi" or "phantasy" elements are wellcome. Because they are not just trying to copy the reality to PC 1:1.

[rulaman]

If U are getting older (and maybe serverd U time in the army) U dont like to play reality-shooters. Or maybe U got a serious war-trauma.

But shooters with some "sifi" or "phantasy" elements are wellcome. Because they are not just trying to copy the reality to PC 1:1.

Well said... We don't need to play the war, but some phantasy fights are welcome to satisfy the human need of "self confirmation". This is the border between egoshooters i like to play and those i don't like to play.:D

rulaman

[RichmanRush]

I'm 29, and I remember ROTT hehe. Game was hilarious! Loved the voice binds "Where are you?"

"Over here"

[PeTjA]

ROTT (Rise of the triad) = first FPS with jumppads and flamethrowers (maybe wrong) and heatseeker. :D
Who made it? Apogee, Raven?

[RJ19]

ROTT is Apogees game ;)

[PeTjA]

Thanks RJ19.
And i sayed "served" and "scifi":rolleyes:

[Bjossi]

im 15, so is there anybody younger than me who plays PK?

Probably not on the forums.
But I'll be 18 years old in July.

[PeTjA]

OT: Is U new PC working? How a bout a PK benchmark?

[tim12379]

greybeard how could you, u gave quake and quake 2 only 3.5 stars ??!!!?!?!?!!?!

they deserve at least 4.5.
also jsut to point this out, the quake community is larger than the pk community and quake came out in 96

[PeTjA]

4.5 for Q/Q2? Noway!

[Bjossi]

OT: Is U new PC working? How a bout a PK benchmark?

I'll try to get it done tomorrow. But how do I benchmark? I have the 1.61 and 1.62 patches.

[Blaise]

I'll try to get it done tomorrow. But how do I benchmark? I have the 1.61 and 1.62 patches.Go into the console and type:


benchmark c5l2

[Bjossi]

I have a strange reason to ask this, but can I update the game without having the game's registry keys? My dad loaned the PK copy so I have to use the pre-installed version I saved onto my new HDD.

[PeTjA]

Bjossi: No Clue.
Blaise: Please check U PM.

[RJ19]

@Bjossi, yes you can. The patch install just asks you to manually locate the Painkiller folder on your hd.

[Greybeard]

greybeard how could you, u gave quake and quake 2 only 3.5 stars ??!!!?!?!?!!?!

they deserve at least 4.5.
also jsut to point this out, the quake community is larger than the pk community and quake came out in 96
I think I said at the beginning of my list that it was highly subjective and I knew if I 'published' it some would disagree. I'm well aware of the popularity of Quake in all its guises and wish its' fans many happy fragging hours. But my criteria favour interesting single-player scenarios, strong storyline and player 'freedom of choice'. Hence, my ratings for games like H-L, NOLF and Far Cry.

Having said that, I still can't quite figure out why I like PK so much http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif .

Cheers

[Enigma]

I think I said at the beginning of my list that it was highly subjective and I knew if I 'published' it some would disagree. I'm well aware of the popularity of Quake in all its guises and wish its' fans many happy fragging hours. But my criteria favour interesting single-player scenarios, strong storyline and player 'freedom of choice'. Hence, my ratings for games like H-L, NOLF and Far Cry.

Having said that, I still can't quite figure out why I like PK so much http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif .

Cheers

Greybeard check out the off topic posts, I just wrote about your list. I have to agree about PK its got something extra that other games seem to lack. I know the cards and secrets add to the experience and some levels you have to play multiple times to complete all objects. But some of the jumps are soooo dificult. :rolleyes:

[tim12379]

gameplay will always be better than plot. take quake 4 for example, the plot is very strong and is a motivational factor for me to want to play the game, but the poor, boring gameplay pulls me away from it.
I agree that games should have plot, and plot definatly does make games interesting, but that it should be secondary to gameplay.

[Bjossi]

I loved all the Quakes, but we must remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I personally like Quakes more than PK but that this mostly beause overplayed and got bored of it...:p

[Greybeard]

gameplay will always be better than plot. take quake 4 for example, the plot is very strong and is a motivational factor for me to want to play the game, but the poor, boring gameplay pulls me away from it.
I agree that games should have plot, and plot definatly does make games interesting, but that it should be secondary to gameplay.
This is interesting. I thought Q4 was a well-rounded game with an ok plot to move things along, a few objective based scenarios (keep Corporal X alive etc.) and good action. But that's just me. I have always appreciated other peoples' views of games. I'd genuinely like to know what "good gameplay" is for you.

Cheers

[RJ19]

This thread is getting OT but I would like to say few things about my favourite fps games. First of all, I like fast action so Quakes, Unreal and Painkiller are my number 1 games. Painkiller is even better because it has replay value. For good plot I'd choose Half-Life games. For the best athmospere I'd choose F.E.A.R. and Doom 3 comes as good number 2. I'f I wan't more stealthy aproach, I'd play NOLF games or RTCW (yeah more like fast action but I like to play it like an agent :D) There are a lot more games but I don't want to make a long list. And these are just my opinions so make what you wan't out of them. :)

[Cr0c0dile]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, I'm 27 in about 2 weeks. Age does matter when You try to play online: because it's damned hard (or impossible :D) to keep pace with those "14 years old ultrapwnzor kids" (reflexes)! Heh... But that's the only case! :)
No it isn't if you practice alot!
Also take some glucosamine choindroitin to stay flexible. Im 34 and have no trouble with anyone.

[Bjossi]

As soon as it becomes possible to slow down the sense of time for 18+, us older people will be pwning the kids. :p

[pool]

to aligator
.... hm....use glucosamine choindroitin a lot? :D

[tim12379]

maybe i exxagerated a little, there where definatly moments in quake 4 where i got the "painkiller feeling" the feeling when you are sorrounded by enemies and you know that your life is in your hands. for example, the best feeling ive ever had when playing a game was in quake 4 everytime a strogg would fire a nail gun at me and i would have to dodge each individual bullet . this was good gameplay but such moments were rare (perhaps 2 or 3 times) all the other times it was mostly strogg appearing at the other side of the hall, and you would crouch behind something and take shots at them every once in a while.

perhaps its the AI, perhaps ID was trying to replace the hordes of "stupid" monsters with several good ones, and perhaps it is just this that doesnt work. usually a "smart" monster can be killed just as easily as a "stupid" one, and in the end it just goes down to analyzing the movment pattern and firing pattern, and tacking advantage of that.

painkiller on the otherhad, had horrible AI, but lots of monsters to compensate. "stupid" monsters that could none the less make me more scared, exited, and on edge than anything i witnessed in quake 4
but this is just me

but this is just my opinion

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....


No it isn't if you practice alot!
Also take some glucosamine choindroitin to stay flexible. Im 34 and have no trouble with anyone.

Believe me Mate, I practiced a lot already, not that is the problem... :D

Still a little teen kid has to practice much lesser than us and still can do amazing things..because he has better reflexes. I even know this about myself (comparing myself with my 10 year younger "version", in games). This is nature, we can't do anything against it. I didn't say it's "impossible" to kick those guys' butts, I just said it's damned hard. We must compensate our worse reflexes with more practicing, more precisity (is that a word?), and more thinking. I never said it's not possible, however look at those CPL-guys: is there anyone there above 25? Momently I can't recall a single example, and most of those guys are maximum 20 years old. This is not random... I remember, PeTjA earlier often said that "I'm too old for this ****.", and indeed, there was something in what He said... :)

All in all, we should never give up, especially because we're still not that old... :D Also thanks for the tip about glucosamine choindroitin (but what the heck is that? :D I understand glucose, so maybe it's some kind of energy drink?). I also noticed that fresh air and B-vitamin (and vitamins in general) help a lot (B-vitamin for the brain to concentrate). And humor into the game (makes You more virtuoso and brave). These help... Still those kids are just usually too fast, and all of us just have bad days sometimes..plus I still have a weak computer... Easy to say "easy", but hard to prove it for real..however I like challenges... ;)

[Luigibuddy]

perhaps its the AI, perhaps ID was trying to replace the hordes of "stupid" monsters with several good ones, and perhaps it is just this that doesnt work. usually a "smart" monster can be killed just as easily as a "stupid" one, and in the end it just goes down to analyzing the movment pattern and firing pattern, and tacking advantage of that.

Raven Software made Quake 4 not ID (they just made the engine).

I liked Quake 4 more than Painkiller, probably because the weapons felt badass and the game had a great cinematic feel.

[Bjossi]

I loved the cyborgification part of Quake 4.
Best. Scripted. Cutscene. Ever.

[hund_schraube]

well to get back on topic ;)

i'm 49 and love gaming.i have also noticed my reflexes slowing with age [or alcohol take your pick] hehehe.

is anyone else having trouble finishing games?it was sooo easy in the old days when there was few shooters,now it seems to take years to finish a game.

[CHFlagg]

I'm 45 and I have more fun just going through the games to see what I have forgotten.

I use glucosamine as well as Vicodin to keep the joints flexable. I do tend to be more on the treachery side than the skill.

[tim12379]

ok i added a poll :)

[Bjossi]

I deeply hope someone won't vote for the option above 11 - 15. ;)

[CHFlagg]

I deeply hope someone won't vote for the option above 11 - 15. ;)


Since we are hopefully talking physical age not mental. :)

[Luigibuddy]

well to get back on topic ;)

i'm 49 and love gaming.i have also noticed my reflexes slowing with age [or alcohol take your pick] hehehe.

is anyone else having trouble finishing games?it was sooo easy in the old days when there was few shooters,now it seems to take years to finish a game.

I noticed I can't get myself to finish most games lately, about one year ago I used to finish most games I bought.
Now out of 20 games I buy per year I only finish 2-5.

[Bjossi]

I buy 2 games per year by average.
I do finish them at the end, but games like HL2 took months and months to finish.


Since we are hopefully talking physical age not mental. :)

In the case of mental age, I think many CS players would be voting that option correctly. :p

[Luigibuddy]

games like HL2 took months and months to finish.

Must have been a lot of suffering trying to get past the stuttering, lack of story, crap weapons and horrible level design.

[Bjossi]

The weapons, audio and graphics were great, the gameplay was boring though.
Anticitizen One and Follow Freeman are the worst levels I have ever played in a FPS game.

[tim12379]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, I'm 27 in about 2 weeks. Age does matter when You try to play online: because it's damned hard (or impossible :D) to keep pace with those "14 years old ultrapwnzor kids" (reflexes)! Heh... But that's the only case! :)

personally i would trade my "15 ultrapwnzor reflexes" for the ability to learn how to use the electro driver, or chain gun. I i just cant keep the crosshair on the enemy, and no amount of reflexes will teach me that. Painkiller is mostly about predicting where the enemy will go not about reacting fast.

[Bjossi]

Improved reflexes make it easy to keep the crosshair on a moving target, I've learned that from games like Fear.
By the way, scientifically, slow motion is the same as extremely quick reflexes. :)

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

I agree about 40% Tim, so so-so... :D Sure, predicting is very important (especially when You have the same skill-level in aiming and movement like Your enemy: then mapcontrol matters and decides who's going to win), but the game is very fast and if You don't have enough quick brain and reflexes to realize how to solve situations, then You're going to be dead quickly, due to the quicker players, or You won't be effective (for example further back I didn't use staked-nades at all, because I simply was too slow, even when I knew that it will hit the enemy for sure). When I was a beginner, I already knew things..later I just knew/learned much more..however I'm still not enough fast for some situations to solve. I can be any good with my brain (I played Chess for years, so prediction and tactics fit me very well), if I loose fights many times, because my opponent is just simply faster...

And yes, Bjossi is right with the ChainGun and Electro. I personally use Electro a lot recently, and my CG improved too. Why...? Well, besides those weapons need calm hands, it's because FPS-games improves Your reflexes, that's a well known thing... As I was playing PK, I rather became faster and my reflexes improved..that's rather true than I learned much more. I learned too, but the game speeded me up (and then I could improve my movement too (quick turns, never stuck into things, etc.), not just aiming), and that made me more "successful" later. This and reflexes are not everything, but they are very important... The most important is mapcontrol, however...

Anyway once I read a 19 year old girl's post on another Forums (TR-related, a friend there) about Her reflexes: She's been playing FPS-games for years and Her reaction time is 0.177 (the averige is about 0.21 for "normal" people). Well, mine is about 0.170. So I can be quite satisfied (especially because I didn't play FPS-games earlier at all), but I know I still could do things faster...

[Bjossi]

I have no idea what my reflexes are, but I need to use sounds to test that because my bad eyesight can affect the resault if the test is about motion/still picture.

But I'm becoming really rusty in PK, I died in the first arena in Dead City by the spiders. :p

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Hehe Bjossi, I know how You mean "rusty"! :D I myself used the same word last year after a longer pause..I played only SP that time, but I hadn't been playing for a few months, and... :D I felt myself so rusty... However that isn't true about me recently: I restarted SP again, PK on Nightmare, and unlocking all cards and 5-Starring all levels during the completion (a few levels needed to finish twice of course, like "Enclave", "Ruins", and "The Palace")..and I was shocked, because I knew really everything. It took me 3 days, but of course I don't play all day, LOL. But nothing could surprise me, I knew all situations, and I didn't need to search for anything, for example I didn't have problems with finding all ammo and destroying everything, and of course the Secrets were easy too. I did the 1st two crane-Secrets on "Docks" in one round for the first try, without any reloading - didn't expect that. It was so strange, becuase I felt the game like if I played it a few days ago. But I last finished SP in February, and earlier in last year's July (so long months pauses)... It seems that if I wouldn't play PK-SP for one year and then I would restart it, I still wouldn't be too rusty. I think this is mainly because I already completed the game almost 30 times, and I almost always went for the maximum. But it was just great, PK's Purgatory is my second home already or what... :D My earlier favourite game was Tomb Raider, and I was a maximalist in that game also (I mean I like to collect everything), but I couldn't achieve such high level with that game, although I never finished those episodes as many times as PK (I finished TR1 maybe 5-6 times only)...

Talking about MP, sometimes longer pauses just make me better instead of worse/rusty. My main problem is that I'm always very stressed while playing MP (because I hate to compete with people in general, and I can't loose - bad nature), but after let's say one-two weeks pause, this feeling reduces and I restart playing with a cleared mind again. And it's somehow better... :)

Well, I used these tests (http://www.tomktom.hu/speed/index.htm) for testing my reflexes. The problem is that those sites are in Hungarian, although it's easy to understand how the tests work, I think. But they are visual tests. If You want sound-tests, then try these tests (http://www.explorelearning.com/index.cfm?method=cResource.dspView&ResourceID=43)..they are in English too... So I use the HU-tests, and when I'm very tired and hungry, and all sorts of such things, then my results can be very bad. But once I tested my reflexes in the morning, and the results were good..then I tried to play some MP and it went very good (although I slept only 2-3 hours before): I could hit the enemies very well with anything, I could move well, felt the game well, and so on... Maybe these tests can also improve reflexes anyway..I use them just rarely...

[Bjossi]

You have played PK through 30 times? :eek:
No wonder that you know every crack and spawn point of every level. ;)

And I'll try these links when I'm in the mood. :)
(reflexes do depend on physical & mental status I believe)

[Varus77]

I'm 52...

@SYS
I did your first reaction test one time right now. Ok, because I can't understand Hungarian my first time sucks a little bit but it's ok.
My average time was 0.1874...I think that isn't to bad for a 52 years old man. :)

[Bjossi]

I'd consider that really good reflex time.
I doubt I have better than 0.21, I have never really practiced to improve reflexes...

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Varus, that time is amazing! OMG! I hope (I wish that for myself) I'll have something similar in that age. Maybe You're really a true gamer and already played lot's of FPS-games and PK of course. It's a known thing that those games improve reflexes... Again, I'm very shocked, really!

Bjossi, I'm sure about You can have at least 0.19, even in the worst case (I mean when You're tired and even for the first try) with no problem. Once I asked my Sister to try out this test, and She did around 0.21-0.22, but: She has never tried out such tests before and She was tired and hungry, plus She never played FPS-games... :) I think She can do around 0.18-0.19 with no problem...

I've just redone the test and I did a massive 0.170 now (0.17, 0.18, 0.17, 0.17, 0.16)..only one test. But now it's warm here and I was starting to listen some MP3s... :D Sometimes I did around 0.15-0.16 further back, and I even did 0.13 a very few times, but I must be very concentrated for those times and I still think that the 0.13 was luck. However with practicing, it's possible to improve the time, but I always consider the strong averige here and not the records (so even if I could do 0.13 a few times, still I say mine is 0.17 recently, but further back it was closer to 0.18 anyway)... Also, I wonder what time a 14 years old guy can achieve (once I'll ask HeGe for some testing, He surely will beat me easily)..and also about what reaction times Medic, Osh, Scooby, Crazy, and other Pro players have (around 0.14-0.15 gets my tip)...

Actually the reflex vs. ping theme is also interesting for me. Let's say someone has 30 ping when I have 60 ping in the game. But also let's say that the 30 ping guy has just 0.21 reaction time. Then with my 0.17, I'm quite equal with him (he has 30 ping but also plus 30 due to his weaker reaction time). Naturally this theory is not always true, but can be true many times, and that's another reason why it's possible to beat someone with lower ping (again, it's not always true! and it's not always the reason and it's never the only reason, I think)...

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Sorry about double-post, but You must see this video (http://gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=188)... ;)

[Bjossi]

With the help of slow motion in some games, my reflexes are 0.04, at least that good. :p
It would be neat to be able to slow down the sense of time, with your brain. :D

[WizofBriz]

I'm 48 and female so I present a different demographic all together. I only discovered F.P.S a few years ago so I'm still very much a beginner. Commodore 64 was my introduction to anything electronic followed by Atari, Sega and Nintendo. I agree though that the majority of gamers are younger and that is probably cos they have more time on their hands. I do shift work and can't spend half as much time as I would like trying to get my head around Painkiller.

[Bjossi]

I have way too much time myself, but I start my first real job in June. :D

[Greybeard]

I have way too much time myself, but I start my first real job in June. http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
I have way too much time myself, because I retired from my last real job last June. http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[tim12379]

I have way too much time myself, because I retired from my last real job last June. http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I Have way too much time myself, because im just a little kid and I dont have a real job :D

[Bjossi]

I have way too much time myself, because I retired from my last real job last June. http://dreamcatcherinteractive.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Lol! Our sentences are so alike, yet so different in meaning. :p

[Ufg2]

I'm currently 24 years old.

[tim12379]

getting back to the reaction subject, i am unable to beat .20 on vision, and i am 15, supposedly at the height of my reflexes. alot of you grandpa's (im just kidding) have been able to get 1.8 but the best ive gotten was .20 :( :( :(

[Bjossi]

1.8 is really bad...
But I'd guess it is a typo. I suggest using a zero before the dot. ;):p

[tim12379]

strange, it wont let me edit my post. I dont se the option for it where it should usually be

and i have the option to edit this post

[Bjossi]

There is a stupid limit of 10 minutes.
It is like the forums are moderated by my parents...:p

[PeTjA]

strange, it wont let me edit my post. I dont se the option for it where it should usually be
Think twice before U post.

[mask killer]

I loved all the Quakes, but we must remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I personally like Quakes more than PK but that this mostly beause overplayed and got bored of it...:p

41years old black male in the house.
Quake 1 made me a PC gamer for life. (thanks to my wife) mainly FPS'ers

From,
quake to unreal to S.O.F to AvP to so on and so on !!!!

[Bjossi]

Quake is a classic, I always enjoy playing it from time to time when I have nothing to do. :)
But right now I'm trying to find a copy of Unreal 2, it's nothing like Unreal but the gameplay can still be fun. :D

[Enigma]

Quake is a classic, I always enjoy playing it from time to time when I have nothing to do. :)
But right now I'm trying to find a copy of Unreal 2, it's nothing like Unreal but the gameplay can still be fun. :D

I started Unreal 2 the day it was released (seems like two or three years ago) but I couldn't get into it. After finishing PK and BOOH and then FEAR I have gone back to Unreal 2. Its funny how they can give a game the same name yet it bears no resemblance to the original. I don't even think its made by the same people so how can they give it the same name, makes you wonder. :p

[Bjossi]

As far as I know, Epic are the developers, they have the license for the name anyways. :p

[Spieler]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Varus, that time is amazing! OMG! I hope (I wish that for myself) I'll have something similar in that age. Maybe You're really a true gamer and already played lot's of FPS-games and PK of course. It's a known thing that those games improve reflexes... Again, I'm very shocked, really!

Bjossi, I'm sure about You can have at least 0.19, even in the worst case (I mean when You're tired and even for the first try) with no problem. Once I asked my Sister to try out this test, and She did around 0.21-0.22, but: She has never tried out such tests before and She was tired and hungry, plus She never played FPS-games... :) I think She can do around 0.18-0.19 with no problem...

I've just redone the test and I did a massive 0.170 now (0.17, 0.18, 0.17, 0.17, 0.16)..only one test. But now it's warm here and I was starting to listen some MP3s... :D Sometimes I did around 0.15-0.16 further back, and I even did 0.13 a very few times, but I must be very concentrated for those times and I still think that the 0.13 was luck. However with practicing, it's possible to improve the time, but I always consider the strong averige here and not the records (so even if I could do 0.13 a few times, still I say mine is 0.17 recently, but further back it was closer to 0.18 anyway)... Also, I wonder what time a 14 years old guy can achieve (once I'll ask HeGe for some testing, He surely will beat me easily)..and also about what reaction times Medic, Osh, Scooby, Crazy, and other Pro players have (around 0.14-0.15 gets my tip)...

Actually the reflex vs. ping theme is also interesting for me. Let's say someone has 30 ping when I have 60 ping in the game. But also let's say that the 30 ping guy has just 0.21 reaction time. Then with my 0.17, I'm quite equal with him (he has 30 ping but also plus 30 due to his weaker reaction time). Naturally this theory is not always true, but can be true many times, and that's another reason why it's possible to beat someone with lower ping (again, it's not always true! and it's not always the reason and it's never the only reason, I think)...

Hey I tested my reflexes, too (because I think that I'm getting old). I've choosen a German reflex test (http://www.mattzli.de/reflex.html). This is the best result:

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/36927/2002731926200792959_rs.jpg

Edit: Oh I have beaten the last result:

http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/37480/2004082550510588193_rs.jpg

Ok I think that I'm not too slow for my age of 25..

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

I think some of us are lucky and reflexes won't go away. Actually I think I was wrong with the thought of reflexes go away with age. I mean they won't go away for a very-very long while... And playing FPS-games even improve reflexes... :D

[medic]

the times spieler posted are just unreal and most likely an error of the program or just a lucky click.

[Spieler]

Perhaps I had some luck... But I often did 0,156er clicks...

[kalme]

The problem with these tests is that JavaScript (they're all done in JavaScript) is not a language suitable to measure very short timespans accurately. Look at the two times you posted. One is 0.125, the second one 0.063. See the pattern? It's highly unlikely that you really doubled your performance, it's just the measurement is not accurate enough. To get really comparable results, one would have to write an (offline) application that uses performance counters or something like that to measure timespans.

On the other hand, medic, I don't think it's too unrealistic. You can improve these times a lot if you train it, and I've seen a documentation once about 1st person shooter players that had significantly better reaction times than average people. While I think nobody doubts that, the really interesting part was that some of them were able to react in those "press a button" games within slightly more than 50(!) milliseconds.

A really good example is Quake 3, map Tourney4, I'm sure you know that one. Often it was all about waiting until the opponent comes around the corner to rail him. You knew he was there and it was all about hitting the left mouse button fast enough when he actually showed up. A ping of 50 vs. 100 really made a big difference there, so obviously there were some h*llish fast players out there with reaction times < 100 ms for sure. Don't you think?

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

Well, 0.047 (few tries and NOT luck; "Spitze!" :D), beat that... :D Seriously, I think these times don't really matter. Anyone can reach any good time by luck, practicing, by having a good day... :D But actually who cares? The game matters in the end, always... :) Earlier I used to check my reaction times with such stuff online from time to time, but for a while I don't give a **** about it. I'm rather trying to play the game better and better, that's the important thing for me, not my reaction times in numbers...

[medic]

id like to have a really exact program just to check how it developes over the years. and i cant believe under 0.1 is possible at all.

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

You're too late mate. You should've been checked it back in 2005 and then now, and I'm sure there's a difference. But after a while I don't think it goes lower, I think You just produce lower values more and more times, so it rather becomes more stable... Anyway it's noticable in the game too: when You make a quick frag, I mean when You know that the situation needed a very fast reaction time..now as You're improving, You make more and more frags like that... From that You can see how Your reaction time is improving (if You read the topic back, once someone said that ChainGun needs reflexes too, because You have to keep the crosshair on the target ;)), because both fast and precise aiming methods need reflexes...

[Varus77]

@ Spieler

This old test, SYS've linked years ago, was much more difficult.
From 5 different positions on the left side of the windows it was possible that sheeps start running very fast to the right side of the window. BUT almost white sheeps were running and that was ok. From time to time a black sheep was starting and only those you've had to stop! If you stopped a white sheep you got 1 second penalty!!! That would have been a catastrophe for the average! My result above was the first and only try.
Therefore this test was more practical than a one-click-lucky-click test.

[Darkinfinity]

Ermm, we have Clickspeeder (http://www.darkscorner.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=642&Itemid=388), or? :D Ver. 1.1 is still in *cough* development.

[Spieler]

@ Spieler

This old test, SYS've linked years ago, was much more difficult.
From 5 different positions on the left side of the windows it was possible that sheeps start running very fast to the right side of the window. BUT almost white sheeps were running and that was ok. From time to time a black sheep was starting and only those you've had to stop! If you stopped a white sheep you got 1 second penalty!!! That would have been a catastrophe for the average! My result above was the first and only try.
Therefore this test was more practical than a one-click-lucky-click test.

I agree. I think I will have a try :)

[Varus77]

unfortunately - that link doesn't show this old test anymore...