Storyline question

[Reed25]

For some reason my video card chops the heck out of the dialogue in the cut scenes. Now that I have made it to the first ending, I can't hear the story. So...why did the angel character let Daniel go through the job of killing all these bosses in Purgatory if he knew that they would just be brought to life in Hell? I mean, was he just lying or misleading Daniel all along? And why did Lucifer want to entice Daniel to Hell by kidnapping Eve?

[Greybeard]

Get a (free) copy of the RAD Video Tools from http://www.radgametools.com/default.htm and you can try and play the (BINK encoded) cut-scene videos outside the game. They're in the "Movies" folder somerwhere in your "Painkiller" directory. You might have more luck.

Even if you do, I'm not sure all your questions will be answered, though.

Cheers

Greybeard

[Frag Maniac]

For some reason my video card chops the heck out of the dialogue in the cut scenes. Now that I have made it to the first ending, I can't hear the story. So...why did the angel character let Daniel go through the job of killing all these bosses in Purgatory if he knew that they would just be brought to life in Hell? I mean, was he just lying or misleading Daniel all along? And why did Lucifer want to entice Daniel to Hell by kidnapping Eve?Well, you don't really learn some of the answers to those questions by listening to the dialouge anyway, much of it you have to piece together yourself. You DO however hear Alastor tell Daniel once he's in Hell that he cannot be killed. As he laughs at Daniel's disbelief seeing him still alive he explains Daniel merely sent him back to He11. BTW, that dialouge is hard to hear even if the sound doesn't cut out, due to the way they make Alastor's voice sound.

Demons are really just undead evil spirits, that's why they cannot be killed. As for WHY God wanted them sent back to He11, here's the way I see it. Those in Purgatory are not necessarily condemned, it's sort of like a proving ground or chance for redemption in Daniel's case. If Demons are allowed to dwell in Purgatory there is much less chance for any wandering souls caught between the dark and the light to be redeemed, thus it would make sense for God to be concerned about keeping Demons out of Purgatory.

Lucyfer enticed Daniel to He11 for two reasons, he knew Eve would tempt him once he got there, and thought even if he weren't swayed by her he stood no chance of escaping. Daniel is God's greatest soldier, so naturally Lucyfer want's control over him or for him to suffer in He11 should he refuse to become evil.

The biggest thing lacking in the story IMO is not giving us any clue as to why God put Daniel in Purgatory to begin with. Sure he's a great soldier, but he would have to had committed some sins to deserve such a fate for God to be justified in putting him there. Then again, Painkiller is more about arcadish monster killing than story telling.;)

[SYS]

...a voice from the darkness.....

There are answers in let's say the Roman Catholic relegion too, I talked about it ages ago, but that thread is already lost also, due to the Forum-hackings and such things...

Two things to mention... First of all, in my religion (I mean what they learned to me in school, but I'm not a really religious person anyway :D), there are Hell, Purgatory, Heaven..after the human death (animals go to nowhere :eek:). This is clear. Evil souls, people who weren't pure and did really big crimes in their lifes go to Hell. Pure people go to Heaven. And people who are not pure completely but who are also not evil, well, they go to Purgatory for a while..to regret all their smaller crimes by heart..and then they all go to Heaven too. The time itself isn't specified, they must spend some time in that place to become clear and then they won't go to Hell, but they go to Heaven. Souls from Purgatory NEVER go to Hell, but always to Heaven, it depends only in time... However in PK's story, the demons from Hell are able to take the souls from Purgatory, down to Hell - poor souls... :(

Then the other thing. In my religion and in God's opinion, Daniel indeed wasn't pure. And it's IN the storyline 100% clearly. It's hard to explain with my limited English... Daniel was careless while driving plus He was driving way too fast in a bad weather. That means He was risking His wife's life and His own life too. In God's eye and at least in Roman Catholic religion, this is already a crime/sin, because it ended with the death of both, and it was at least partly Daniel's mistake (maybe the other guy in the other car also wasn't careful, but the story doesn't tell that)... So after this, God thinks that Daniel is not pure (He may did other smaller crimes too in His life though - the story doesn't tell that) whilst Catherine obviously is, so Catherine goes to Heaven, and Daniel temporarily (hmm, but for at least 30 Earth-years :rolleyes:) goes to Purgatory...

Edit: oh, one more thing... No, God NEVER wanted Daniel to Hell, since He sent Him to Purgatory (and the only way from Purgatory is to Heaven, as I told You). But there's a problem here: the only thing what God gives us all, as Eve says at the end of BOOH. That only thing is the freedome to choose. This is why there may be wars on Earth for example: everyone can do whatever he wants in his own life on Earth..then he will be judged by God though. Now Daniel has chosen to go down to Hell, to completely finish the job..and He still had the freedome to choose, and God couldn't do anything. Sammael also couldn't do anything, of course, since He is not God... :D So it's clear: Daniel chose His path, and that is all... Naturally this sounds a bit odd in my religion, because I think we have no rights to tell God that "oh no, I don't want to go to Heaven, but I want to go to Hell, release me to there!" - I can't imagine that. But that's another story. Maybe Daniel was just one (maybe the only one) exception and He had an extra freedome to choose (:D), after actually finishing successfully that very dirty job what God offered to Him - maybe that is okay...

For me, these things are totally obvious and logical, due to my religion, and I hope this helps to clear out some things in the storyline..or at least it's interesting, even if You agree or not agree with the above mentioned "strictly religious terms and conditions"... :D

[pool]

I've told ya SYS is my favorite writer! :D

[Reed25]

I can understand Daniel's decision to go to hell; it even seems like a very noble thing to do--that is, to risk his chance at eternal bliss in Heaven in order to save Eve and finish off Lucifer. I think what bothers me about this aspect of the story is Sammuel's reluctance to be straightforward with Daniel from the very beginning. He is supposed to be an (arch?)angel. I always thought of angels as being incapable of deliberately misleading people. And yet that seems to be what he did with Daniel, unless Sammuel was also just plain ignorant about the effect that killing these bosses in Purgatory would have on them (but I find that hard to believe). Oh well. I know it is only a story, but his behaviour just doesn't seem all that angelic to me.

[PeTjA]

Must be a DC-archangle.:(

[Reed25]

Thank you, Greybeard. The RAD video tools worked just fine.

[PeTjA]

More about the binkplayer here
http://www.dreamcatchergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28112

[mask killer]

Here's the list of Archangel's
Michael
Gabriel
Raphael
sometimes--Uriel
Selaphiel
Jegudiel
Barachiel
And the fallen archangel Lucifer who's real name is SAMAEL !!!!

PS,
Michael is more PURE than Gabriel (gab gets into more trouble)

[Reed25]

Now that is really interesting, Mask Killer. I looked him up in the JewishEncyclopedia.com and found some fascinating legends about him, including one that says he made Eve pregnant.

[mask killer]

Now that is really interesting, Mask Killer. I looked him up in the JewishEncyclopedia.com and found some fascinating legends about him, including one that says he made Eve pregnant.

shalom
you mean this--->


In Hebrew amulets Samael is represented as the angel of death ("Revue de Numismatique," 1892, pp. 246, 251). Eve is supposed to have become pregnant by him.

Now you see why she wants to be queen of hell !!! (maybe there's more to painkiller then meets the eye)