thanks so much for the info,cant find many people around here that have even played the myst tri. so your help was very much appriciated,something so simple didnt get it boy do i feel like a numbskull oh well thanks again and its onto the final game of the tri. of myst. its taken me nearly a week to play all the games this one should be a walk in the park ha ha talk at cha later might need help on exile we'll see thanks.cindy